Deemer Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 Hypothetical: Let's say a player wins $100 FP from a contest at a book; 10x RO. Let's say player wagers the $100 FP on a +150 DOG, and LOSES. Does the player still get strapped with a $1,000 RO? Or is the RO only added if any winnings are made of a FP bet? What has your experience been with these? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Odom Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 RO on TOTAL deposit is the norm Contest FP... only on FP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deemer Posted March 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 Sammy, I understand on a deposit (the roll) would be on total deposit - that is standard. In the hypothetical, what has your experience been? 0 RO or the 1000 RO with a LOST bet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yisman Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 depends on the book some books do rollover on deposit+bonus. does not matter if you lose the bonus, you still have rollover. DSI/Bookmaker, for example some books do rollover on the winnings from the freeplay. In that case, obviously you are avoiding that rollover if you blow the freeplay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Odom Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 In the hypothetical, what has your experience been? 0 RO or the 1000 RO with a LOST bet. When losing the CONTEST FP there is NO R.O. on preexisting balance or future deposit <--- Sammy's experience Otherwise do not play at that book Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deemer Posted March 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 Yisman, What about a contest FP from a book here (Mania, Skybook, HR, AB) what has your experience been( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deemer Posted March 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 When losing the CONTEST FP there is NO R.O.That is my thinking, curious to others experiences Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richsox24 Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 When losing the CONTEST FP there is NO R.O. on preexisting balance or future deposit Otherwise do not play at that bookThis. Should never be a rollover on a freeplay that was won in a contest that loses. Also, if you already had money in the book that was free/clear to cashout, the rollover on the freeplay should NOT affect that money at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deemer Posted March 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 This. Should never be a rollover on a freeplay that was won in a contest that loses. Also, if you already had money in the book that was free/clear to cashout, the rollover on the freeplay should NOT affect that money at all.That is my thinking, thanks rich. Where's Milwaukee yisman and Kolzig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickadee Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 It depends. It depends. It depends.As a bettor they shouldn't apply the RO to original balances for contests wins (unless otherwise indicated but preference is NOT) and RO otherwise should be bustable. Hypothetically if I was running a book though, I would look to exclude sharp players/bonus whores and build a stable of losers.So i would make RO on bonuses not bustable and apply to the original account balance + bonus + redeposits whether win or lose regardless (and offer slightly lower RO on bonuses because of it).In addition would keep RO calc lesser of risk/to win capped at both ends.Applies to contests, sign-up bonuses, re-deposits etc.It would discourage bonus whores from running up high balances unexpectedly if they couldn't bust it out beforehand.Of course advantage players who want to get down to hit off market lines, steam or their own advantage picks are different.At least that way you can concentrate on weeding out their action from your books unless you wanted it. Fish take care of themselves. Still all hypotheticals though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HRWager Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 You see Deemer you think this type of threads will make me succumb to your peer pressure and give you anything that you like. I would have had no problem waiving the freeplay rollover, but it would be my right to make you fulfill the rollover if I wanted to, I rarely do that and binmercando called me a few days ago ans asked me about it like a gentleman and I told him that it wouldn't count and not to worry about it. You on the other hand sent me a pissy email and you were upset on the chat with Gus using words like bullshit, ridiculous and fucking so here is what you will receive. You are free to cash out, and dont come back because you have been kicked out. Thanks, George Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Odom Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 You see Deemer you think this type of threads will make me succumb to your peer pressure and give you anything that you like. I would have had no problem waiving the freeplay rollover, but it would be my right to make you fulfill the rollover if I wanted to, I rarely do that and binmercando called me a few days ago ans asked me about it like a gentleman and I told him that it wouldn't count and not to worry about it. You on the other hand sent me a pissy email and you were upset on the chat with Gus using words like bullshit, ridiculous and fucking so here is what you will receive. You are free to cash out, and dont come back because you have been kicked out. Thanks, George Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bear Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 You see Deemer you think this type of threads will make me succumb to your peer pressure and give you anything that you like. I would have had no problem waiving the freeplay rollover, but it would be my right to make you fulfill the rollover if I wanted to, I rarely do that and binmercando called me a few days ago ans asked me about it like a gentleman and I told him that it wouldn't count and not to worry about it. You on the other hand sent me a pissy email and you were upset on the chat with Gus using words like bullshit, ridiculous and fucking so here is what you will receive. You are free to cash out, and dont come back because you have been kicked out. Thanks, Georgewow George reminds me of Tony. Guess you gotta be assertive as a bookmaker. thats why i started umpiring little league i figure i want to be viewed as an authority figure so people will respect me so i think this willmake me more assertive keeping these ego maniac coaches in line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deemer Posted March 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 Wow..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HRWager Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 Im very easy going bear. If you dont try to scam me, manipulate me or lie about me Im cool. wowGeorge reminds me of Tony.Guess you gotta be assertive as a bookmaker.thats why i started umpiring little leaguei figure i want to be viewed as an authority figure so people will respect me so i think this willmake me more assertive keeping these ego maniac coaches in line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deemer Posted March 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 You see Deemer you think this type of threads will make me succumb to your peer pressure and give you anything that you like. I would have had no problem waiving the freeplay rollover, but it would be my right to make you fulfill the rollover if I wanted to, I rarely do that and binmercando called me a few days ago ans asked me about it like a gentleman and I told him that it wouldn't count and not to worry about it. You on the other hand sent me a pissy email and you were upset on the chat with Gus using words like bullshit, ridiculous and fucking so here is what you will receive. You are free to cash out, and dont come back because you have been kicked out. Thanks, George I don't appreciate half-truths. That is all I will say. I didn't mention HRWAGER for a reason in this thread. I will not throw shit to the wall until it sticks on forum, my days of that shit are done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HRWager Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 Feel free to post everything. I have nothing to hide. I don't appreciate half-truths. That is all I will say. I didn't mention HRWAGER for a reason in this thread. I will not throw shit to the wall until it sticks on forum, my days of that shit are done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deemer Posted March 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 Feel free to post everything. I have nothing to hide. As I said - will not happen. I'm not here to have a Griffin-type implosion. Email has been sent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeinkeToWarrick Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 I feel like HrWager does their rollover on the winnings but I truthfully don't know because I try to just keep gambling and not have a rollover be an issue at all. George is lucky I'm a horse degenerate though giving him money back...otherwise he might get tired of awarding me free plays and tell me to get lost lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeybagadonuts Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 Creverand steama kicked out of another book for being too annoying about freeplays. Never change, pal. Promise us you silly chingnog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest boatboatboat Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 Deemtownjeem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deemer Posted March 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 Deemtownjeem BBB, this is one of those times where you'd be better off shuttin that trap of yerz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest boatboatboat Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 Lol You are right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deemer Posted March 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 Lol You are right Per usual. BBB - lets hammer maryland, pal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest boatboatboat Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 Deem i have gotten killed the last 2 mths. Havent added up, but i suspect near 20k Cant see me having the fortitude to pull yhe trigger on anything at the moment. Shell shocked Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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