Timely Hitting Posted May 17, 2017 Report Share Posted May 17, 2017 I think Ball is just a bigger Rubio. That shot isn't going to be pretty in the NBA, he was MIA in crunch time in college. He's a real good passer, can help facilitate on the break but he ain't going to pour in 18+ a night at the NBA level. I'd probably take him 5th or lower. Fultz clearly better. Tatum much better. I like Fox better. Hell, I even like Zach Collins betterI may like Monk better than I like Ball too. Big concern with Monk is can he pass the ball well enough in the pros, and size may be able to shut him down because he's not very big or long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deemer Posted May 17, 2017 Report Share Posted May 17, 2017 I may like Monk better than I like Ball too. Big concern with Monk is can he pass the ball well enough in the pros, and size may be able to shut him down because he's not very big or long. Monk's upside has to be Bradley Beal. I like Beal, but he's a scorer and that's about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sol Aristatel Posted May 17, 2017 Report Share Posted May 17, 2017 They say Balls game compares to Jason Kidd. Who would you compare Fultz game too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deemer Posted May 17, 2017 Report Share Posted May 17, 2017 They say Balls game compares to Jason Kidd. Who would you compare Fultz game too? Kidd was an excellent defender. Ball is not. But I understand the passing aspect. Fultz has been compared to a CP3, but I wouldn't compare him to CP3. I think he's more of a scorer than CP3. Fultz isn't going to sling up 3s like Damian Lillard, but could score like Dame. I really see Fultz as a 20ppg 8 assist 5 reb type guy. He's going to be really good if they can get players around him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timely Hitting Posted May 17, 2017 Report Share Posted May 17, 2017 Monk's upside has to be Bradley Beal. I like Beal, but he's a scorer and that's about it. I don't necessarily disagree with this, but Monk has a chance of being the best scorer in this draft. At worst, maybe he's Ben Gordon. If he was 3 inches taller, he'd be the 2nd pick in the draft though, I truly do believe that. he's just not very big or long. Maybe he learns to distribute the basketball better at the pro level; he didn't really need to do that at Kentucky. right now the thing that kills him is he's a tweener. They say Balls game compares to Jason Kidd. Who would you compare Fultz game too?Russell Westbrook; not quite as athletic, but a little more polished as a PG and passer. But he is a freak athletically Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deemer Posted May 17, 2017 Report Share Posted May 17, 2017 I don't necessarily disagree with this, but Monk has a chance of being the best scorer in this draft. At worst, maybe he's Ben Gordon. If he was 3 inches taller, he'd be the 2nd pick in the draft though, I truly do believe that. he's just not very big or long. Maybe he learns to distribute the basketball better at the pro level; he didn't really need to do that at Kentucky. right now the thing that kills him is he's a tweener. Russell Westbrook Really, Westbrook? He's not THAT athletic. I think he's a score first PG --- but Westbrook? That's a stretch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjt Posted May 17, 2017 Report Share Posted May 17, 2017 I think Fultz more of a CJ McCollum but better athlete and not quite the shooter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timely Hitting Posted May 17, 2017 Report Share Posted May 17, 2017 Really, Westbrook? He's not THAT athletic. I think he's a score first PG --- but Westbrook? That's a stretch.I edited it to add that: "not quite as athletic, but a little more polished as a PG and passer. But he is a freak athletically" I think he plays the game at a slightly lesser speed, but don't forget that Russell wasn't quite as explosive before the NBA program kicked in either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deemer Posted May 17, 2017 Report Share Posted May 17, 2017 But, other than Ball wanting to play for Lakers and being a UCLA kid I cannot see why the Lakers would take him #2. Is he better than Russell? I'm not sure. No chance they can both play together. So, you're essentially choosing Ball over Russell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timely Hitting Posted May 17, 2017 Report Share Posted May 17, 2017 I think Fultz more of a CJ McCollum but better athlete and not quite the shooterFultz is a really good shooter. He has great touch from the outside and gets his shot off with relative ease. I think his ability in the paint to weave through traffic is a bigger strength - and finish among size - but for his age he's a really polished shooter. Could use some work from the line. In regards to Fultz; when the only question scouts can ask about you is how high is your motor, you don't have any real weaknesses. I have also found questioning an 18 year old's motor is just stupid; especially one that just played for a 9 win team in college. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deemer Posted May 17, 2017 Report Share Posted May 17, 2017 Fultz is pretty sick with his floater too. Fultz needs to add range though, I'll say that. He rarely pulled up from 3 in college and that line is closer than nba Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timely Hitting Posted May 17, 2017 Report Share Posted May 17, 2017 Fultz is pretty sick with his floater too. Fultz needs to add range though, I'll say that. He rarely pulled up from 3 in college and that line is closer than nbaHe gets a lot of elevation on his jumper - even from three - which isn't always great but his form is really nice. He took 5 threes a game in college though, so hardly a shot he avoided. I don't have the numbers in front of me, but don't think as many were catch and shoot as you think; or were corner threes. He pulled up a decent amount on the break. He was so good around the bucket though it's hard to blame him for driving in those situations. http://i.imgur.com/40F5C7W.png Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMartian Posted May 17, 2017 Report Share Posted May 17, 2017 Fultz way better than lonzo , ball averaged two assist more With a UCLA team packed with shooters everyone could shoot in UCLA , if fultz was at UCLA I could see him averaging the same amount of assist if not more than ball Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tripp Posted May 17, 2017 Report Share Posted May 17, 2017 I think Ball is just a bigger Rubio. That shot isn't going to be pretty in the NBA, he was MIA in crunch time in college. He's a real good passer, can help facilitate on the break but he ain't going to pour in 18+ a night at the NBA level. I'd probably take him 5th or lower. Fultz clearly better. Tatum much better. I like Fox better. Hell, I even like Zach Collins bettereh zach collins i think tops out as a solid role player. Floor is a replaceable bench guy. Hes also just not a new age player that provides much value. You want versatility, you want perimeter play, even the dominant big men can step outside and shoot the 3 (Davis, KAT, Cousins, Aldridge, Blake etc). Its almost a must now, cant build around a zach collins type Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tripp Posted May 17, 2017 Report Share Posted May 17, 2017 But, other than Ball wanting to play for Lakers and being a UCLA kid I cannot see why the Lakers would take him #2. Is he better than Russell? I'm not sure. No chance they can both play together. So, you're essentially choosing Ball over Russell. Id rather have Lonzo than Russell Russell is nice but think Lonzo has higher upside of making teammates better. Russell a better scorer but thats pretty much it. He cant guard anyone either, isnt close to as bright on the court as Lonzo is, nowhere close as a passer, isnt as long Im not jumping at lonzo but i really dont love the Lakers core. I think Lonzo would step in and be their best player. They are young so maybe these guys develop nicely, but im not loving a Russell/Ingram/Randle core as much as it may have looked nice a couple years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tripp Posted May 17, 2017 Report Share Posted May 17, 2017 I may like Monk better than I like Ball too. Big concern with Monk is can he pass the ball well enough in the pros, and size may be able to shut him down because he's not very big or long. My fear with Monk is he becomes a better version of Terrence Ross His ability to pour in buckets would blow me away some games, but then hed disappear and when his shot was off he was completely invisible to the game unlike Fox who easily surpassed him as UKs best player as the season went on. Monk also would drive Cal nuts because hed constantly pass up drives and just settle for deep shots, sometimes deep contested shots. Now hed make a good deal of very difficult shots, no questioning the guys a shot maker and those have big value in the nba, but I dont love guys that settle way too often for low % shots Needs to improve his passing, decision making, and make better use of his athleticism. But i think worst case for Monk is he is a high end scorer off the bench like a Jamaal Crawford type Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeinkeToWarrick Posted May 18, 2017 Report Share Posted May 18, 2017 I think Ball is just a bigger Rubio. That shot isn't going to be pretty in the NBA, he was MIA in crunch time in college. He's a real good passer, can help facilitate on the break but he ain't going to pour in 18+ a night at the NBA level. I'd probably take him 5th or lower. Fultz clearly better. Tatum much better. I like Fox better. Hell, I even like Zach Collins betterSharp post here, I agree. Also regarding the Fultz/Westbrook comparison...it's been mentioned but Westbrook was NOWHERE near the athlete coming out of UCLA that he is now. I think he's Fultz' best NBA comparison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timely Hitting Posted May 18, 2017 Report Share Posted May 18, 2017 Sharp post here, I agree. Also regarding the Fultz/Westbrook comparison...it's been mentioned but Westbrook was NOWHERE near the athlete coming out of UCLA that he is now. I think he's Fultz' best NBA comparison.Weinke we're usually on the same page with these basketball comps; despite your dislike of Thibs. He's actually far more polished at this point too. Odds are he won't have Westbrooks motor because nobody does, but his game is much more composed at the same age and he's much more defined. Becoming the most explosive PG ever isn't likely, but he just need 80% of Russell's explosiveness to be a similar player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deemer Posted May 18, 2017 Report Share Posted May 18, 2017 Timely, Just like previous NBA posts, you can learn from me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeinkeToWarrick Posted May 18, 2017 Report Share Posted May 18, 2017 I don't dislike Thibs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Posted May 24, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 24, 2017 Simmons one guy I'm going to head down and pay to watch , big fan. Make sure you hit me up first pal I have tickets very close to the court I will hook you up at cost pal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Posted June 18, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 18, 2017 Trust the Process you fucks!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sol Aristatel Posted June 18, 2017 Report Share Posted June 18, 2017 Trust the Process you fucks!!! The Sixers process? Ive been waiting for like 10 years... How many number one (1) overall picks is it going to take? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Posted June 18, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 18, 2017 God I hope Boston falls in love with Ball would love to see the Lakers get FultzSorry pal... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Posted June 18, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 18, 2017 The Sixers process? Ive been waiting for like 10 years... How many number one (1) overall picks is it going to take? Sol, calm down pal. Relax. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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