One Thread, Two Forums, sort of an IQ Test

[Dr. Paddy]

I've just read something in the Atlantic that gives an intellectual explanation as to how any intelligent and civil person can support Donald Trump. It makes the case that his supporters are not entirely garbage people, but that some are quite rational people who have political stances that are positioned within the bounds of political options in a democracy such as the US. It is secondary or not important at all to them that the person representing them is a ghastly mongrel of a man, an admitted sexual predator, and a walking poster boy for all manner of mental disturbances. 

By far the best explanation I've ever seen that argues for not characterizing all Trump supporters as deplorable and inbred. I'm starting the same thread in both Peepsplace and Kingersplace. Looking for talent to invite to the new offshoregamblingdigest.com. 

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...hizers/564743

[MonkeyF0cker]

There is very little difference between supporting everything that Trump does and denigrating everything that Trump does.  The only difference is what side of the hypocritical coin you're on.

 

Really tired of everyone thinking the sky is falling when a President from the opposing party is in office.  Neither side is open to differing opinions and the political discourse between everyday Americans has become beyond pathetic.

 

So, if someone is trying to measure IQ by the political affiliation of others while standing firmly on either side of the aisle, they might want to take a legitimate IQ test themselves.  The results will likely not be impressive.

[Guest ConspiracyMuncher]

There is very little difference between supporting everything that Trump does and denigrating everything that Trump does.  The only difference is what side of the hypocritical coin you're on.

 

Really tired of everyone thinking the sky is falling when a President from the opposing party is in office.  Neither side is open to differing opinions and the political discourse between everyday Americans has become beyond pathetic.

 

So, if someone is trying to measure IQ by the political affiliation of others while standing firmly on either side of the aisle, they might want to take a legitimate IQ test themselves.  The results will likely not be impressive.

 

 

well fucking said, bunch of sheep!

[WVU]

Dementia

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This article is about the cognitive disorder. For other uses, see Dementia (disambiguation).

Dementia Synonyms Senility^[1] Comparison of a normal aged brain (left) and the brain of a person with Alzheimer's (right). Differential characteristics are pointed out. Specialty Neurology, psychiatry Symptoms Decreased ability to think and remember, emotional problems, problems with language, decreased motivation^[2][3] Usual onset Gradual^[2] Duration Long term^[2] Causes Alzheimer's disease, vascular dementia, Lewy body dementia, frontotemporal dementia^[2][3]Diagnostic method Cognitive testing (mini mental state examination)^[3][4]Differential diagnosis Delirium^[5] Prevention Early education, prevent high blood pressure, prevent obesity, no smoking, exercise, social engagement^[6] Treatment Supportive care^[2] Medication Cholinesterase inhibitors (small benefit)^[7][8] Frequency 46 million (2015)^[9] Deaths 1.9 million (2015)^[10]

Dementia is a broad category of brain diseases that cause a long-term and often gradual decrease in the ability to think and remember that is great enough to affect a person's daily functioning.^[2] Other common symptoms include emotional problems, difficulties with language, and a decrease in motivation.^[2][3] A person's consciousness is usually not affected.^[2] A dementia diagnosis requires a change from a person's usual mental functioning and a greater decline than one would expect due to aging.^[2][11] These diseases also have a significant effect on a person's caregivers.^[2]

The most common type of dementia is Alzheimer's disease, which makes up 50% to 70% of cases.^[2][3] Other common types include vascular dementia (25%), Lewy body dementia (15%), and frontotemporal dementia.^[2][3] Less common causes include normal pressure hydrocephalus, Parkinson's disease dementia, syphilis, and Creutzfeldt–Jakob disease among others.^[12] More than one type of dementia may exist in the same person.^[2] A small proportion of cases run in families.^[13] In the DSM-5, dementia was reclassified as a neurocognitive disorder, with various degrees of severity.^[14] Diagnosis is usually based on history of the illness and cognitive testing with medical imaging and blood tests used to rule out other possible causes.^[4] The mini mental state examination is one commonly used cognitive test.^[3] Efforts to prevent dementia include trying to decrease risk factors such as high blood pressure, smoking, diabetes, and obesity.^[2] Screening the general population for the disorder is not recommended.^[15]

There is no known cure for dementia.^[2] Cholinesterase inhibitors such as donepezil are often used and may be beneficial in mild to moderate disorder.^[7][16][17] Overall benefit, however, may be minor.^[7][8] There are many measures that can improve the quality of life of people with dementia and their caregivers.^[2] Cognitive and behavioral interventions may be appropriate.^[2] Educating and providing emotional support to the caregiver is important.^[2] Exercise programs may be beneficial with respect to activities of daily living and potentially improve outcomes.^[18] Treatment of behavioral problems with antipsychotics is common but not usually recommended due to the little benefit and side effects, including an increased risk of death.^[19][20]

Globally, dementia affected about 46 million people in 2015.^[9] About 10% of people develop the disorder at some point in their lives.^[13] It becomes more common with age.^[21] About 3% of people between the ages of 65–74 have dementia, 19% between 75 and 84 and nearly half of those over 85 years of age.^[22] In 2013 dementia resulted in about 1.7 million deaths up from 0.8 million in 1990.^[23] As more people are living longer, dementia is becoming more common in the population as a whole.^[21] For people of a specific age, however, it may be becoming less frequent, at least in the developed world, due to a decrease in risk factors.^[21] It is one of the most common causes of disability among the old.^[3] It is believed to result in economic costs of 604 billion USD a year.^[2] People with dementia are often physically or chemically restrained to a greater degree than necessary, raising issues of human rights.^[2] Social stigma against those affected is common.^[3]

[Dr. Paddy]

There is very little difference between supporting everything that Trump does and denigrating everything that Trump does.  The only difference is what side of the hypocritical coin you're on.

 

Really tired of everyone thinking the sky is falling when a President from the opposing party is in office.  Neither side is open to differing opinions and the political discourse between everyday Americans has become beyond pathetic.

 

So, if someone is trying to measure IQ by the political affiliation of others while standing firmly on either side of the aisle, they might want to take a legitimate IQ test themselves.  The results will likely not be impressive.

I have taken an IQ test, Monkey. Several of them. I was in the top 3 on GMAT score in my MBA class. In 2010, I scored in the top 1% on Wonderlic and Watson Glaser Critical Thinking. You're knocking on the wrong door with that kind of mumbling horseshit.

 

If you really tired, take a fucking nap.

[BarryRunSome]

I took an online wonderlic test last year and got next to a perfect score. 48 or 50, I can’t remember.

 

You can toss the Trump idiot thing right outta window, because I’m pretty fucking smart

[Downsouth]

Online tests hard told me I am smart. I am not.

[MonkeyF0cker]

I have taken an IQ test, Monkey. Several of them. I was in the top 3 on GMAT score in my MBA class. In 2010, I scored in the top 1% on Wonderlic and Watson Glaser Critical Thinking. You're knocking on the wrong door with that kind of mumbling horseshit.

 

If you really tired, take a fucking nap.

 

Obviously.  Thread after thread about your insufferable inability to accept an election.  But you have critical thinking skills.  Sure.

[Dr. Paddy]

Dementia

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This article is about the cognitive disorder. For other uses, see Dementia (disambiguation).

Dementia Synonyms Senility^[1] Comparison of a normal aged brain (left) and the brain of a person with Alzheimer's (right). Differential characteristics are pointed out. Specialty Neurology, psychiatry Symptoms Decreased ability to think and remember, emotional problems, problems with language, decreased motivation^[2][3] Usual onset Gradual^[2] Duration Long term^[2] Causes Alzheimer's disease, vascular dementia, Lewy body dementia, frontotemporal dementia^[2][3]Diagnostic method Cognitive testing (mini mental state examination)^[3][4]Differential diagnosis Delirium^[5] Prevention Early education, prevent high blood pressure, prevent obesity, no smoking, exercise, social engagement^[6] Treatment Supportive care^[2] Medication Cholinesterase inhibitors (small benefit)^[7][8] Frequency 46 million (2015)^[9] Deaths 1.9 million (2015)^[10]

Dementia is a broad category of brain diseases that cause a long-term and often gradual decrease in the ability to think and remember that is great enough to affect a person's daily functioning.^[2] Other common symptoms include emotional problems, difficulties with language, and a decrease in motivation.^[2][3] A person's consciousness is usually not affected.^[2] A dementia diagnosis requires a change from a person's usual mental functioning and a greater decline than one would expect due to aging.^[2][11] These diseases also have a significant effect on a person's caregivers.^[2]

The most common type of dementia is Alzheimer's disease, which makes up 50% to 70% of cases.^[2][3] Other common types include vascular dementia (25%), Lewy body dementia (15%), and frontotemporal dementia.^[2][3] Less common causes include normal pressure hydrocephalus, Parkinson's disease dementia, syphilis, and Creutzfeldt–Jakob disease among others.^[12] More than one type of dementia may exist in the same person.^[2] A small proportion of cases run in families.^[13] In the DSM-5, dementia was reclassified as a neurocognitive disorder, with various degrees of severity.^[14] Diagnosis is usually based on history of the illness and cognitive testing with medical imaging and blood tests used to rule out other possible causes.^[4] The mini mental state examination is one commonly used cognitive test.^[3] Efforts to prevent dementia include trying to decrease risk factors such as high blood pressure, smoking, diabetes, and obesity.^[2] Screening the general population for the disorder is not recommended.^[15]

There is no known cure for dementia.^[2] Cholinesterase inhibitors such as donepezil are often used and may be beneficial in mild to moderate disorder.^[7][16][17] Overall benefit, however, may be minor.^[7][8] There are many measures that can improve the quality of life of people with dementia and their caregivers.^[2] Cognitive and behavioral interventions may be appropriate.^[2] Educating and providing emotional support to the caregiver is important.^[2] Exercise programs may be beneficial with respect to activities of daily living and potentially improve outcomes.^[18] Treatment of behavioral problems with antipsychotics is common but not usually recommended due to the little benefit and side effects, including an increased risk of death.^[19][20]

Globally, dementia affected about 46 million people in 2015.^[9] About 10% of people develop the disorder at some point in their lives.^[13] It becomes more common with age.^[21] About 3% of people between the ages of 65–74 have dementia, 19% between 75 and 84 and nearly half of those over 85 years of age.^[22] In 2013 dementia resulted in about 1.7 million deaths up from 0.8 million in 1990.^[23] As more people are living longer, dementia is becoming more common in the population as a whole.^[21] For people of a specific age, however, it may be becoming less frequent, at least in the developed world, due to a decrease in risk factors.^[21] It is one of the most common causes of disability among the old.^[3] It is believed to result in economic costs of 604 billion USD a year.^[2] People with dementia are often physically or chemically restrained to a greater degree than necessary, raising issues of human rights.^[2] Social stigma against those affected is common.^[3]

 

[Dr. Paddy]

Obviously.  Thread after thread about your insufferable inability to accept an election.  But you have critical thinking skills.  Sure.

Back to the full Raiders now. Creating a new Paddy. An American Paddy. One whose issue is not simply an observance that a criminal and a traitor is not masquerading as the "leader of the free world", but an inability to accept an election that the true Paddy couldn't even vote in.

 

You have an inability to see yourself as others see you. I wouldn't say it's insufferable though. I'm not given to that sort of childish running for class president type of horseshit.

[Dr. Paddy]

There is very little difference between supporting everything that Trump does and denigrating everything that Trump does.  The only difference is what side of the hypocritical coin you're on.

 

Really tired of everyone thinking the sky is falling when a President from the opposing party is in office.  Neither side is open to differing opinions and the political discourse between everyday Americans has become beyond pathetic.

 

So, if someone is trying to measure IQ by the political affiliation of others while standing firmly on either side of the aisle, they might want to take a legitimate IQ test themselves.  The results will likely not be impressive.

Actually, the test was to comment intelligently on the content of the Atlantic article. Not to go into Raiders mode.

[MonkeyF0cker]

Back to the full Raiders now. Creating a new Paddy. An American Paddy. One whose issue is not simply an observance that a criminal and a traitor is not masquerading as the "leader of the free world", but an inability to accept an election that the true Paddy couldn't even vote in.

 

You have an inability to see yourself as others see you. I wouldn't say it's insufferable though. I'm not given to that sort of childish running for class president type of horseshit.

 

And you keep proving what makes you a complete sociopath.  The fact that you're not an American but constantly obsessing over another country's President is not the behavior of someone with a high IQ nor mental stability.

[MonkeyF0cker]

Actually, the test was to comment intelligently on the content of the Atlantic article. Not to go into Raiders mode.

 

Oh, but it's an IQ test!  LOL.  GTFOH.

[WVU]

Profile of the Sociopath

This website summarizes some of the common features of descriptions of the behavior of sociopaths.

• Glibness and Superficial Charm 

   

• Manipulative and Conning 

  They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors as permissible. They appear to be charming, yet are covertly hostile and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used. They may dominate and humiliate their victims. 

   

• Grandiose Sense of Self 

  Feels entitled to certain things as "their right." 

   

• Pathological Lying 

  Has no problem lying coolly and easily and it is almost impossible for them to be truthful on a consistent basis. Can create, and get caught up in, a complex belief about their own powers and abilities. Extremely convincing and even able to pass lie detector tests. 

   

• Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt 

  A deep seated rage, which is split off and repressed, is at their core. Does not see others around them as people, but only as targets and opportunities. Instead of friends, they have victims and accomplices who end up as victims. The end always justifies the means and they let nothing stand in their way. 

   

• Shallow Emotions 

  When they show what seems to be warmth, joy, love and compassion it is more feigned than experienced and serves an ulterior motive. Outraged by insignificant matters, yet remaining unmoved and cold by what would upset a normal person. Since they are not genuine, neither are their promises. 

   

• Incapacity for Love 

   

• Need for Stimulation 

  Living on the edge. Verbal outbursts and physical punishments are normal. Promiscuity and gambling are common. 

   

• Callousness/Lack of Empathy 

  Unable to empathize with the pain of their victims, having only contempt for others' feelings of distress and readily taking advantage of them. 

   

• Poor Behavioral Controls/Impulsive Nature 

  Rage and abuse, alternating with small expressions of love and approval produce an addictive cycle for abuser and abused, as well as creating hopelessness in the victim. Believe they are all-powerful, all-knowing, entitled to every wish, no sense of personal boundaries, no concern for their impact on others. 

   

• Early Behavior Problems/Juvenile Delinquency 

  Usually has a history of behavioral and academic difficulties, yet "gets by" by conning others. Problems in making and keeping friends; aberrant behaviors such as cruelty to people or animals, stealing, etc. 

   

• Irresponsibility/Unreliability 

  Not concerned about wrecking others' lives and dreams. Oblivious or indifferent to the devastation they cause. Does not accept blame themselves, but blames others, even for acts they obviously committed. 

   

• Promiscuous Sexual Behavior/Infidelity 

  Promiscuity, child sexual abuse, rape and sexual acting out of all sorts. 

   

• Lack of Realistic Life Plan/Parasitic Lifestyle 

  Tends to move around a lot or makes all encompassing promises for the future, poor work ethic but exploits others effectively. 

   

• Criminal or Entrepreneurial Versatility 

  Changes their image as needed to avoid prosecution. Changes life story readily.

Other Related Qualities:

1. Contemptuous of those who seek to understand them
2. Does not perceive that anything is wrong with them
3. Authoritarian
4. Secretive
5. Paranoid
6. Only rarely in difficulty with the law, but seeks out situations where their tyrannical behavior will be tolerated, condoned, or admired
7. Conventional appearance
8. Goal of enslavement of their victim(s)
9. Exercises despotic control over every aspect of the victim's life
10. Has an emotional need to justify their crimes and therefore needs their victim's affirmation (respect, gratitude and love)
11. Ultimate goal is the creation of a willing victim
12. Incapable of real human attachment to another
13. Unable to feel remorse or guilt
14. Extreme narcissism and grandiose
15. May state readily that their goal is to rule the world

(The above traits are based on the psychopathy checklists of H. Cleckley and R. Hare.) 

 

NOTE: In the 1830's this disorder was called "moral insanity." By 1900 it was changed to "psychopathic personality." More recently it has been termed "antisocial personality disorder" in the DSM-III and DSM-IV. Some critics have complained that, in the attempt to rely only on 'objective' criteria, the DSM has broadened the concept to include too many individuals. The APD category includes people who commit illegal, immoral or self-serving acts for a variety of reasons and are not necessarily psychopaths. 

 

DSM-IV Definition 

 

Antisocial personality disorder is characterized by a lack of regard for the moral or legal standards in the local culture. There is a marked inability to get along with others or abide by societal rules. Individuals with this disorder are sometimes called psychopaths or sociopaths. 

 

Diagnostic Criteria (DSM-IV) 

 

1. Since the age of fifteen there has been a disregard for and violation of the right's of others, those right's considered normal by the local culture, as indicated by at least three of the following: 

    A. Repeated acts that could lead to arrest. 

    B. Conning for pleasure or profit, repeated lying, or the use of aliases. 

    C. Failure to plan ahead or being impulsive. 

    D. Repeated assaults on others. 

    E. Reckless when it comes to their or others safety. 

    F. Poor work behavior or failure to honor financial obligations. 

    G. Rationalizing the pain they inflict on others. 

 

2. At least eighteen years in age. 

 

3. Evidence of a Conduct Disorder, with its onset before the age of fifteen. 

 

4. Symptoms not due to another mental disorder. 

 

Antisocial Personality Disorder Overview (Written by Derek Wood, RN, BSN, PhD Candidate) 

 

Antisocial Personality Disorder results in what is commonly known as a Sociopath. The criteria for this disorder require an ongoing disregard for the rights of others, since the age of 15 years. Some examples of this disregard are reckless disregard for the safety of themselves or others, failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors, deceitfulness such as repeated lying or deceit for personal profit or pleasure, and lack of remorse for actions that hurt other people in any way. Additionally, they must have evidenced a Conduct Disorder before the age of 15 years, and must be at least 18 years old to receive this diagnosis. 

 

People with this disorder appear to be charming at times, and make relationships, but to them, these are relationships in name only. They are ended whenever necessary or when it suits them, and the relationships are without depth or meaning, including marriages. They seem to have an innate ability to find the weakness in people, and are ready to use these weaknesses to their own ends through deceit, manipulation, or intimidation, and gain pleasure from doing so. 

 

They appear to be incapable of any true emotions, from love to shame to guilt. They are quick to anger, but just as quick to let it go, without holding grudges. No matter what emotion they state they have, it has no bearing on their future actions or attitudes. 

 

They rarely are able to have jobs that last for any length of time, as they become easily bored, instead needing constant change. They live for the moment, forgetting the past, and not planning the future, not thinking ahead what consequences their actions will have. They want immediate rewards and gratification. There currently is no form of psychotherapy that works with those with antisocial personality disorder, as those with this disorder have no desire to change themselves, which is a prerequisite. No medication is available either. The only treatment is the prevention of the disorder in the early stages, when a child first begins to show the symptoms of conduct disorder. 

 

THE PSYCHOPATH NEXT DOOR (Source: http://chericola57.tripod.com/infinite.html) 

 

Psychopath. We hear the word and images of Bernardo, Manson and Dahmer pop into our heads; no doubt Ted Bundy too. But they're the bottom of the barrel -- most of the two million psychopaths in North America aren't murderers. They're our friends, lovers and co-workers. They're outgoing and persuasive, dazzling you with charm and flattery. Often you aren't even aware they've taken you for a ride -- until it's too late. 

 

Psychopaths exhibit a Jekyll and Hyde personality. "They play a part so they can get what they want," says Dr. Sheila Willson, a Toronto psychologist who has helped victims of psychopaths. The guy who showers a woman with excessive attention is much more capable of getting her to lend him money, and to put up with him when he strays. The new employee who gains her co-workers' trust has more access to their chequebooks. And so on. Psychopaths have no conscience and their only goal is self-gratification. Many of us have been their victims -- at work, through friendships or relationships -- and not one of us can say, "a psychopath could never fool me." 

 

Think you can spot one? Think again. In general, psychopaths aren't the product of broken homes or the casualties of a materialistic society. Rather they come from all walks of life and there is little evidence that their upbringing affects them. Elements of a psychopath's personality first become evident at a very early age, due to biological or genetic factors. Explains Michael Seto, a psychologist at the Centre for Addiction and Mental health in Toronto, by the time that a person hits their late teens, the disorder is almost certainly permanent. Although many clinicians use the terms psychopath and sociopath interchangeably, writes psychopath expert Robert Hare on his book 'Without Conscience', a sociopath's criminal behavior is shaped by social forces and is the result of a dysfunctional environment. 

 

Psychopaths have only a shallow range of emotions and lack guilt, says Hare. They often see themselves as victims, and lack remorse or the ability to empathize with others. "Psychopaths play on the fact that most of us are trusting and forgiving people," adds Seto. The warning signs are always there; it's just difficult to see them because once we trust someone, the friendship becomes a blinder. 

 

Even lovers get taken for a ride by psychopaths. For a psychopath, a romantic relationship is just another opportunity to find a trusting partner who will buy into the lies. It's primarily why a psychopath rarely stays in a relationship for the long term, and often is involved with three or four partners at once, says Willson. To a psychopath, everything about a relationship is a game. Willson refers to the movie 'Sliding Doors' to illustrate her point. In the film, the main character comes home early after just having been fired from her job. Only moments ago, her boyfriend has let another woman out the front door. But in a matter of minutes he is the attentive and concerned boyfriend, taking her out to dinner and devoting the entire night to comforting her. All the while he's planning to leave the next day on a trip with the other woman. 

 

The boyfriend displays typical psychopathic characteristics because he falsely displays deep emotion toward the relationship, says Willson. In reality, he's less concerned with his girlfriend's depression than with making sure she's clueless about the other woman's existence. In the romance department, psychopaths have an ability to gain your affection quickly, disarming you with words, intriguing you with grandiose plans. If they cheat you'll forgive them, and one day when they've gone too far, they'll leave you with a broken heart (and an empty wallet). By then they'll have a new player for their game. 

 

The problem with their game is that we don't often play by their rules. Where we might occasionally tell a white lie, a psychopath's lying is compulsive. Most of us experience some degree of guilt about lying, preventing us from exhibiting such behavior on a regular basis. "Psychopaths don't discriminate who it is they lie to or cheat," says Seto. "There's no distinction between friend, family and sucker." 

 

No one wants to be the sucker, so how do we prevent ourselves from becoming close friends or getting into a relationship with a psychopath? It's really almost impossible, say Seto and Willson. Unfortunately, laments Seto, one way is to become more suspicious and less trusting of others. Our tendency is to forgive when we catch a loved one in a lie. "Psychopaths play on this fact," he says. "However, I'm certainly not advocating a world where if someone lies once or twice, you never speak to them again." What you can do is look at how often someone lies and how they react when caught. Psychopaths will lie over and over again, and where other people would sincerely apologize, a psychopath may apologize but won't stop. 

 

Psychopaths also tend to switch jobs as frequently as they switch partners, mainly because they don't have the qualities to maintain a job for the long haul. Their performance is generally erratic, with chronic absences, misuse of company resources and failed commitments. Often they aren't even qualified for the job and use fake credentials to get it. Seto talks of a patient who would get marketing jobs based on his image; he was a presentable and charming man who layered his conversations with educational and occupational references. But it became evident that the man hadn't a clue what he was talking about, and was unable to hold down a job. 

 

How do you make sure you don't get fooled when you're hiring someone to baby-sit your child or for any other job? Hire based on reputation and not image, says Willson. Check references thoroughly. Psychopaths tend to give vague and inconsistent replies. Of course the best way to solve this problem would be to cure psychopaths of their 'illness.' But there's no recipe for treating them, say psychiatrists. Today's traditional methods of psychotherapy (psychoanalysis, group and one-on-one therapy) and drug treatments have failed. Therapy is more likely to work when an individual admits there's a problem and wants to change. The common problem with psychopaths, says Sets, "Is they don't see a problem with their behavior." 

 

Psychopaths don't seek therapy willingly, says Seto. Rather, they're pushed into it by a desperate relative or by a court order. To a psychopath, a therapist is just one more person who must be conned, and the psychopath plays the part right until the therapist is convinced of his or her 'rehabilitation.' 

 

Even though we can't treat psychopaths effectively with therapy, it doesn't mean we can't protect ourselves, writes Hare. Willson agrees, citing the most important factor in keeping psychopaths at bay is to know your vulnerabilities. We need to "realize our own potential and maximize our strengths" so that our insecurities don't overcome us. Because, she says, a psychopath is a chameleon who becomes "an image of what you haven't done for yourself." Over time, she says, "their appearance of perfection will begin to crack," but by that time you will have been emotionally and perhaps financially scathed. There comes a time when you realize there's no point in searching for answers; the only thing is to move on. 

 

Taken in part from MW -- By Caroline Konrad -- September 1999 

 

THE MALIGNANT PERSONALITY: 

 

These people are mentally ill and extremely dangerous! The following precautions will help to protect you from the destructive acts of which they are capable. 

 

First, to recognize them, keep the following guidelines in mind. 

 

(1) They are habitual liars. They seem incapable of either knowing or telling the truth about anything. 

 

(2) They are egotistical to the point of narcissism. They really believe they are set apart from the rest of humanity by some special grace. 

 

(3) They scapegoat; they are incapable of either having the insight or willingness to accept responsibility for anything they do. Whatever the problem, it is always someone else's fault. 

 

(4) They are remorselessly vindictive when thwarted or exposed. 

 

(5) Genuine religious, moral, or other values play no part in their lives. They have no empathy for others and are capable of violence. Under older psychological terminology, they fall into the category of psychopath or sociopath, but unlike the typical psychopath, their behavior is masked by a superficial social facade.

 

If you have come into conflict with such a person or persons, do the following immediately! 

 

(1) Notify your friends and relatives of what has happened. 

 

Do not be vague. Name names, and specify dates and circumstances. Identify witnesses if possible and provide supporting documentation if any is available. 

 

(2) Inform the police. The police will do nothing with this information except to keep it on file, since they are powerless to act until a crime has been committed. Unfortunately, that often is usually too late for the victim. Nevertheless, place the information in their hands. 

 

Obviously, if you are assaulted or threatened before witnesses, you can get a restraining order, but those are palliative at best. 

 

(3) Local law enforcement agencies are usually under pressure if wealthy or politically powerful individuals are involved, so include state and federal agencies as well and tell the locals that you have. In my own experience, one agency that can help in a pinch is the Criminal Investigation Division of the Internal Revenue Service or (in Canada) Victims Services at your local police unit. It is not easy to think of the IRS as a potential friend, but a Swedish study showed that malignant types (the Swedes called them bullies) usually commit some felony or other by the age of twenty. If the family is wealthy, the fact may never come to light, but many felonies involve tax evasion, and in such cases, the IRS is interested indeed. If large amounts of money are involved, the IRS may solve all your problems for you. For obvious reasons the Drug Enforcement Agency may also be an appropriate agency to approach. The FBI is an important agency to contact, because although the FBI does not have jurisdiction over murder or assault, if informed, they do have an active interest in any other law enforcement agencies that do not follow through with an honest investigation and prosecution should a murder occur. Civil rights are involved at that point. No local crooked lawyer, judge, or corrupt police official wants to be within a country mile if that comes to light! It is in such cases that wealthy psychopaths discover just how firm the "friends" they count on to cover up for them really are! Even some of the drug cartel biggies will scuttle for cover if someone picks up the brick their thugs hide under. Exposure is bad for business. 

 

(4) Make sure that several of your friends have the information in the event something happens to you. That way, an appropriate investigation will follow if you are harmed. Don't tell other people who has the information, because then something bad could happen to them as well. Instruct friends to take such an incident to the newspapers and other media. 

 

If you are dealing with someone who has considerable money, you must realize that they probably won't try to harm you themselves, they will contract with someone to make the hit. The malignant type is a coward and will not expose himself or herself to personal danger if he or she can avoid it.

Update: A thorough article. You may also find more at http://sociopathworld.com/.

I, the creator of this site, am not a psychologist and have no special expertise in the subject. I created the site as a public service, because no similar site existed in 2003. I occasionally get sad calls and emails. I urge you to consult either a clinical psychologist or the police depending on the problem you face, and wish you good luck.

[Guest ConspiracyMuncher]

Paddy you just need to relax on the politics pal...

[Dr. Paddy]

Profile of the Sociopath

This website summarizes some of the common features of descriptions of the behavior of sociopaths.

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• Glibness and Superficial Charm 

   

• Manipulative and Conning 

  They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors as permissible. They appear to be charming, yet are covertly hostile and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used. They may dominate and humiliate their victims. 

   

• Grandiose Sense of Self 

  Feels entitled to certain things as "their right." 

   

• Pathological Lying 

  Has no problem lying coolly and easily and it is almost impossible for them to be truthful on a consistent basis. Can create, and get caught up in, a complex belief about their own powers and abilities. Extremely convincing and even able to pass lie detector tests. 

   

• Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt 

  A deep seated rage, which is split off and repressed, is at their core. Does not see others around them as people, but only as targets and opportunities. Instead of friends, they have victims and accomplices who end up as victims. The end always justifies the means and they let nothing stand in their way. 

   

• Shallow Emotions 

  When they show what seems to be warmth, joy, love and compassion it is more feigned than experienced and serves an ulterior motive. Outraged by insignificant matters, yet remaining unmoved and cold by what would upset a normal person. Since they are not genuine, neither are their promises. 

   

• Incapacity for Love 

   

• Need for Stimulation 

  Living on the edge. Verbal outbursts and physical punishments are normal. Promiscuity and gambling are common. 

   

• Callousness/Lack of Empathy 

  Unable to empathize with the pain of their victims, having only contempt for others' feelings of distress and readily taking advantage of them. 

   

• Poor Behavioral Controls/Impulsive Nature 

  Rage and abuse, alternating with small expressions of love and approval produce an addictive cycle for abuser and abused, as well as creating hopelessness in the victim. Believe they are all-powerful, all-knowing, entitled to every wish, no sense of personal boundaries, no concern for their impact on others. 

   

• Early Behavior Problems/Juvenile Delinquency 

  Usually has a history of behavioral and academic difficulties, yet "gets by" by conning others. Problems in making and keeping friends; aberrant behaviors such as cruelty to people or animals, stealing, etc. 

   

• Irresponsibility/Unreliability 

  Not concerned about wrecking others' lives and dreams. Oblivious or indifferent to the devastation they cause. Does not accept blame themselves, but blames others, even for acts they obviously committed. 

   

• Promiscuous Sexual Behavior/Infidelity 

  Promiscuity, child sexual abuse, rape and sexual acting out of all sorts. 

   

• Lack of Realistic Life Plan/Parasitic Lifestyle 

  Tends to move around a lot or makes all encompassing promises for the future, poor work ethic but exploits others effectively. 

   

• Criminal or Entrepreneurial Versatility 

  Changes their image as needed to avoid prosecution. Changes life story readily.

Other Related Qualities:

1. Contemptuous of those who seek to understand them
2. Does not perceive that anything is wrong with them
3. Authoritarian
4. Secretive
5. Paranoid
6. Only rarely in difficulty with the law, but seeks out situations where their tyrannical behavior will be tolerated, condoned, or admired
7. Conventional appearance
8. Goal of enslavement of their victim(s)
9. Exercises despotic control over every aspect of the victim's life
10. Has an emotional need to justify their crimes and therefore needs their victim's affirmation (respect, gratitude and love)
11. Ultimate goal is the creation of a willing victim
12. Incapable of real human attachment to another
13. Unable to feel remorse or guilt
14. Extreme narcissism and grandiose
15. May state readily that their goal is to rule the world

(The above traits are based on the psychopathy checklists of H. Cleckley and R. Hare.) 

 

NOTE: In the 1830's this disorder was called "moral insanity." By 1900 it was changed to "psychopathic personality." More recently it has been termed "antisocial personality disorder" in the DSM-III and DSM-IV. Some critics have complained that, in the attempt to rely only on 'objective' criteria, the DSM has broadened the concept to include too many individuals. The APD category includes people who commit illegal, immoral or self-serving acts for a variety of reasons and are not necessarily psychopaths. 

 

DSM-IV Definition 

 

Antisocial personality disorder is characterized by a lack of regard for the moral or legal standards in the local culture. There is a marked inability to get along with others or abide by societal rules. Individuals with this disorder are sometimes called psychopaths or sociopaths. 

 

Diagnostic Criteria (DSM-IV) 

 

1. Since the age of fifteen there has been a disregard for and violation of the right's of others, those right's considered normal by the local culture, as indicated by at least three of the following: 

    A. Repeated acts that could lead to arrest. 

    B. Conning for pleasure or profit, repeated lying, or the use of aliases. 

    C. Failure to plan ahead or being impulsive. 

    D. Repeated assaults on others. 

    E. Reckless when it comes to their or others safety. 

    F. Poor work behavior or failure to honor financial obligations. 

    G. Rationalizing the pain they inflict on others. 

 

2. At least eighteen years in age. 

 

3. Evidence of a Conduct Disorder, with its onset before the age of fifteen. 

 

4. Symptoms not due to another mental disorder. 

 

Antisocial Personality Disorder Overview (Written by Derek Wood, RN, BSN, PhD Candidate) 

 

Antisocial Personality Disorder results in what is commonly known as a Sociopath. The criteria for this disorder require an ongoing disregard for the rights of others, since the age of 15 years. Some examples of this disregard are reckless disregard for the safety of themselves or others, failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors, deceitfulness such as repeated lying or deceit for personal profit or pleasure, and lack of remorse for actions that hurt other people in any way. Additionally, they must have evidenced a Conduct Disorder before the age of 15 years, and must be at least 18 years old to receive this diagnosis. 

 

People with this disorder appear to be charming at times, and make relationships, but to them, these are relationships in name only. They are ended whenever necessary or when it suits them, and the relationships are without depth or meaning, including marriages. They seem to have an innate ability to find the weakness in people, and are ready to use these weaknesses to their own ends through deceit, manipulation, or intimidation, and gain pleasure from doing so. 

 

They appear to be incapable of any true emotions, from love to shame to guilt. They are quick to anger, but just as quick to let it go, without holding grudges. No matter what emotion they state they have, it has no bearing on their future actions or attitudes. 

 

They rarely are able to have jobs that last for any length of time, as they become easily bored, instead needing constant change. They live for the moment, forgetting the past, and not planning the future, not thinking ahead what consequences their actions will have. They want immediate rewards and gratification. There currently is no form of psychotherapy that works with those with antisocial personality disorder, as those with this disorder have no desire to change themselves, which is a prerequisite. No medication is available either. The only treatment is the prevention of the disorder in the early stages, when a child first begins to show the symptoms of conduct disorder. 

 

THE PSYCHOPATH NEXT DOOR (Source: http://chericola57.tripod.com/infinite.html) 

 

Psychopath. We hear the word and images of Bernardo, Manson and Dahmer pop into our heads; no doubt Ted Bundy too. But they're the bottom of the barrel -- most of the two million psychopaths in North America aren't murderers. They're our friends, lovers and co-workers. They're outgoing and persuasive, dazzling you with charm and flattery. Often you aren't even aware they've taken you for a ride -- until it's too late. 

 

Psychopaths exhibit a Jekyll and Hyde personality. "They play a part so they can get what they want," says Dr. Sheila Willson, a Toronto psychologist who has helped victims of psychopaths. The guy who showers a woman with excessive attention is much more capable of getting her to lend him money, and to put up with him when he strays. The new employee who gains her co-workers' trust has more access to their chequebooks. And so on. Psychopaths have no conscience and their only goal is self-gratification. Many of us have been their victims -- at work, through friendships or relationships -- and not one of us can say, "a psychopath could never fool me." 

 

Think you can spot one? Think again. In general, psychopaths aren't the product of broken homes or the casualties of a materialistic society. Rather they come from all walks of life and there is little evidence that their upbringing affects them. Elements of a psychopath's personality first become evident at a very early age, due to biological or genetic factors. Explains Michael Seto, a psychologist at the Centre for Addiction and Mental health in Toronto, by the time that a person hits their late teens, the disorder is almost certainly permanent. Although many clinicians use the terms psychopath and sociopath interchangeably, writes psychopath expert Robert Hare on his book 'Without Conscience', a sociopath's criminal behavior is shaped by social forces and is the result of a dysfunctional environment. 

 

Psychopaths have only a shallow range of emotions and lack guilt, says Hare. They often see themselves as victims, and lack remorse or the ability to empathize with others. "Psychopaths play on the fact that most of us are trusting and forgiving people," adds Seto. The warning signs are always there; it's just difficult to see them because once we trust someone, the friendship becomes a blinder. 

 

Even lovers get taken for a ride by psychopaths. For a psychopath, a romantic relationship is just another opportunity to find a trusting partner who will buy into the lies. It's primarily why a psychopath rarely stays in a relationship for the long term, and often is involved with three or four partners at once, says Willson. To a psychopath, everything about a relationship is a game. Willson refers to the movie 'Sliding Doors' to illustrate her point. In the film, the main character comes home early after just having been fired from her job. Only moments ago, her boyfriend has let another woman out the front door. But in a matter of minutes he is the attentive and concerned boyfriend, taking her out to dinner and devoting the entire night to comforting her. All the while he's planning to leave the next day on a trip with the other woman. 

 

The boyfriend displays typical psychopathic characteristics because he falsely displays deep emotion toward the relationship, says Willson. In reality, he's less concerned with his girlfriend's depression than with making sure she's clueless about the other woman's existence. In the romance department, psychopaths have an ability to gain your affection quickly, disarming you with words, intriguing you with grandiose plans. If they cheat you'll forgive them, and one day when they've gone too far, they'll leave you with a broken heart (and an empty wallet). By then they'll have a new player for their game. 

 

The problem with their game is that we don't often play by their rules. Where we might occasionally tell a white lie, a psychopath's lying is compulsive. Most of us experience some degree of guilt about lying, preventing us from exhibiting such behavior on a regular basis. "Psychopaths don't discriminate who it is they lie to or cheat," says Seto. "There's no distinction between friend, family and sucker." 

 

No one wants to be the sucker, so how do we prevent ourselves from becoming close friends or getting into a relationship with a psychopath? It's really almost impossible, say Seto and Willson. Unfortunately, laments Seto, one way is to become more suspicious and less trusting of others. Our tendency is to forgive when we catch a loved one in a lie. "Psychopaths play on this fact," he says. "However, I'm certainly not advocating a world where if someone lies once or twice, you never speak to them again." What you can do is look at how often someone lies and how they react when caught. Psychopaths will lie over and over again, and where other people would sincerely apologize, a psychopath may apologize but won't stop. 

 

Psychopaths also tend to switch jobs as frequently as they switch partners, mainly because they don't have the qualities to maintain a job for the long haul. Their performance is generally erratic, with chronic absences, misuse of company resources and failed commitments. Often they aren't even qualified for the job and use fake credentials to get it. Seto talks of a patient who would get marketing jobs based on his image; he was a presentable and charming man who layered his conversations with educational and occupational references. But it became evident that the man hadn't a clue what he was talking about, and was unable to hold down a job. 

 

How do you make sure you don't get fooled when you're hiring someone to baby-sit your child or for any other job? Hire based on reputation and not image, says Willson. Check references thoroughly. Psychopaths tend to give vague and inconsistent replies. Of course the best way to solve this problem would be to cure psychopaths of their 'illness.' But there's no recipe for treating them, say psychiatrists. Today's traditional methods of psychotherapy (psychoanalysis, group and one-on-one therapy) and drug treatments have failed. Therapy is more likely to work when an individual admits there's a problem and wants to change. The common problem with psychopaths, says Sets, "Is they don't see a problem with their behavior." 

 

Psychopaths don't seek therapy willingly, says Seto. Rather, they're pushed into it by a desperate relative or by a court order. To a psychopath, a therapist is just one more person who must be conned, and the psychopath plays the part right until the therapist is convinced of his or her 'rehabilitation.' 

 

Even though we can't treat psychopaths effectively with therapy, it doesn't mean we can't protect ourselves, writes Hare. Willson agrees, citing the most important factor in keeping psychopaths at bay is to know your vulnerabilities. We need to "realize our own potential and maximize our strengths" so that our insecurities don't overcome us. Because, she says, a psychopath is a chameleon who becomes "an image of what you haven't done for yourself." Over time, she says, "their appearance of perfection will begin to crack," but by that time you will have been emotionally and perhaps financially scathed. There comes a time when you realize there's no point in searching for answers; the only thing is to move on. 

 

Taken in part from MW -- By Caroline Konrad -- September 1999 

 

THE MALIGNANT PERSONALITY: 

 

These people are mentally ill and extremely dangerous! The following precautions will help to protect you from the destructive acts of which they are capable. 

 

First, to recognize them, keep the following guidelines in mind. 

 

(1) They are habitual liars. They seem incapable of either knowing or telling the truth about anything. 

 

(2) They are egotistical to the point of narcissism. They really believe they are set apart from the rest of humanity by some special grace. 

 

(3) They scapegoat; they are incapable of either having the insight or willingness to accept responsibility for anything they do. Whatever the problem, it is always someone else's fault. 

 

(4) They are remorselessly vindictive when thwarted or exposed. 

 

(5) Genuine religious, moral, or other values play no part in their lives. They have no empathy for others and are capable of violence. Under older psychological terminology, they fall into the category of psychopath or sociopath, but unlike the typical psychopath, their behavior is masked by a superficial social facade.

 

If you have come into conflict with such a person or persons, do the following immediately! 

 

(1) Notify your friends and relatives of what has happened. 

 

Do not be vague. Name names, and specify dates and circumstances. Identify witnesses if possible and provide supporting documentation if any is available. 

 

(2) Inform the police. The police will do nothing with this information except to keep it on file, since they are powerless to act until a crime has been committed. Unfortunately, that often is usually too late for the victim. Nevertheless, place the information in their hands. 

 

Obviously, if you are assaulted or threatened before witnesses, you can get a restraining order, but those are palliative at best. 

 

(3) Local law enforcement agencies are usually under pressure if wealthy or politically powerful individuals are involved, so include state and federal agencies as well and tell the locals that you have. In my own experience, one agency that can help in a pinch is the Criminal Investigation Division of the Internal Revenue Service or (in Canada) Victims Services at your local police unit. It is not easy to think of the IRS as a potential friend, but a Swedish study showed that malignant types (the Swedes called them bullies) usually commit some felony or other by the age of twenty. If the family is wealthy, the fact may never come to light, but many felonies involve tax evasion, and in such cases, the IRS is interested indeed. If large amounts of money are involved, the IRS may solve all your problems for you. For obvious reasons the Drug Enforcement Agency may also be an appropriate agency to approach. The FBI is an important agency to contact, because although the FBI does not have jurisdiction over murder or assault, if informed, they do have an active interest in any other law enforcement agencies that do not follow through with an honest investigation and prosecution should a murder occur. Civil rights are involved at that point. No local crooked lawyer, judge, or corrupt police official wants to be within a country mile if that comes to light! It is in such cases that wealthy psychopaths discover just how firm the "friends" they count on to cover up for them really are! Even some of the drug cartel biggies will scuttle for cover if someone picks up the brick their thugs hide under. Exposure is bad for business. 

 

(4) Make sure that several of your friends have the information in the event something happens to you. That way, an appropriate investigation will follow if you are harmed. Don't tell other people who has the information, because then something bad could happen to them as well. Instruct friends to take such an incident to the newspapers and other media. 

 

If you are dealing with someone who has considerable money, you must realize that they probably won't try to harm you themselves, they will contract with someone to make the hit. The malignant type is a coward and will not expose himself or herself to personal danger if he or she can avoid it.

Update: A thorough article. You may also find more at http://sociopathworld.com/.

I, the creator of this site, am not a psychologist and have no special expertise in the subject. I created the site as a public service, because no similar site existed in 2003. I occasionally get sad calls and emails. I urge you to consult either a clinical psychologist or the police depending on the problem you face, and wish you good luck.

 

Man, talk about shitting yourself in front of an entire forum.

[Dr. Paddy]

Paddy you just need to relax on the politics pal...

Sonny, I'm very relaxed. And, as you can see, I have 0 Warning Points. Can you say the same? No, you can't, can you? So, I ask you, who needs to relax in the real world?

[Dr. Paddy]

Oh, but it's an IQ test!  LOL.  GTFOH.

BBYL.

[Guest ConspiracyMuncher]

Sonny, I'm very relaxed. And, as you can see, I have Zero Warning Points. Can you say the same? No, you can't, can you? So, I ask you, who needs to relax in the real world?

 

lol lol lol warning points? I have zero as well... now if they were actually used I'd have more than zero, but maybe so would you...

 

Maybe you are not upset, but this thread screams obsession... obsessive and relaxed is a rare combo Ill give you that!

[Dr. Paddy]

And you keep proving what makes you a complete sociopath.  The fact that you're not an American but constantly obsessing over another country's President is not the behavior of someone with a high IQ nor mental stability.

On the other hand, this is how I see it. No one else seriously contends that I am a sociopath, certainly not a complete one. I think that's by definition either all or none. You have the dishonest approach of characterizing commenting on a ghastly man in the office of your presidency as "obsessing over another country's President". If that childish lie were true, then literally billions of human beings around the world are not mentally stable or have a high IQ. 

 

If they were to be told that, they'd say "Who the fuck says that?" And, the uncomfortable truth would be "It's some guy named MonkeyF0cker on an online gambling forum". Of course, they would ask in their native language, I'd have to get a translator involved, but that's how it would shake out. If you have to lie about sociopaths and obsession to set up your premises, you are the worst kind of Trump supporter. Perhaps even a complete Trump supporter.

 

We're like two dancers, Monkey.

[WVU]

 

Definition of obsessive

1a : tending to cause obsession

: excessive often to an unreasonable degree

: of, relating to, or characterized by obsession : deriving from obsession

— 

 

obsessive

 noun

— 

 

obsessively

 adverb

— 

 

obsessiveness

 noun

[Dr. Paddy]

lol lol lol warning points? I have zero as well... now if they were actually used I'd have more than zero, but maybe so would you...

 

Maybe you are not upset, but this thread screams obsession... obsessive and relaxed is a rare combo Ill give you that!

Waiting for Monkey. Ah, there it is 1 new replies added.

[MonkeyF0cker]

On the other hand, this is how I see it. No one else seriously contends that I am a sociopath, certainly not a complete one. I think that's by definition either all or none. You have the dishonest approach of characterizing commenting on a ghastly man in the office of your presidency as "obsessing over another country's President". If that childish lie were true, then literally billions of human beings around the world are not mentally stable or have a high IQ. 

 

If they were to be told that, they'd say "Who the fuck says that?" And, the uncomfortable truth would be "It's some guy named MonkeyF0cker on an online gambling forum". Of course, they would ask in their native language, I'd have to get a translator involved, but that's how it would shake out. If you have to lie about sociopaths and obsession to set up your premises, you are the worst kind of Trump supporter. Perhaps even a complete Trump supporter.

 

We're like two dancers, Monkey.

 

Billions of people are thinking about Donald Trump daily?  He's in that many people's heads?  That's a lot of weak-minded people.  Are those billions of people also questioning the intellect of Americans who either voted for him over Hillary or don't care to tolerate the hypocritical brainwashing of partisan politics any longer?

[Dr. Paddy]

Definition of obsessive

1a : tending to cause obsession

: excessive often to an unreasonable degree

: of, relating to, or characterized by obsession : deriving from obsession

—  obsessive  noun

—  obsessively  adverb

—  obsessiveness  noun

 

On the other hand...

 

 

[WVU]

Dunning–Kruger effect

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In the field of psychology, the Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which people of low ability have illusory superiority and mistakenly assess their cognitive ability as greater than it is. The cognitive bias of illusory superiority comes from the inability of low-ability people to recognize their lack of ability; without the self-awareness of metacognition, low-ability people cannot objectively evaluate their actual competence or incompetence.^[1]On the other hand, people of high ability incorrectly assume that tasks that are easy for them are also easy for other people.^[2]

As described by social psychologists David Dunning and Justin Kruger, the cognitive bias of illusory superiority results from an internal illusion in people of low ability and from an external misperception in people of high ability; that is, "the miscalibration of the incompetent stems from an error about the self, whereas the miscalibration of the highly competent stems from an error about others."^[1]