milwaukee mike Posted June 12, 2019 Report Share Posted June 12, 2019 tampa and the angels will probably be joined by a host of other teams at some point i don't like it for betting reasons bookmaker has been switching them to action only, like the angels tonight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharp Square Posted June 12, 2019 Report Share Posted June 12, 2019 I don't like it for both betting and fantasy baseball reasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingRevolver Posted June 12, 2019 Report Share Posted June 12, 2019 The whole "openers" shit kinda makes sense, but I definitely don't like it for the betting reasons. It messes it all up. Sadly, I think more teams will try it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rito Posted June 12, 2019 Report Share Posted June 12, 2019 Horribly annoying Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kovacsbar Posted June 12, 2019 Report Share Posted June 12, 2019 We can't see it at the moment because the baseballs are dipped in gas but in widespread use this is going to push runs scored down. It's tougher for the fantasy guys but we'll back test the shit out of it and maybe get a few loose openers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kovacsbar Posted June 12, 2019 Report Share Posted June 12, 2019 it would help if it was used more in a decent park to gauge. Not a Dome and on the West Coast Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rito Posted June 12, 2019 Report Share Posted June 12, 2019 but we'll back test the shit out of it and maybe get a few loose openers. how Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Derailer Dude Posted June 12, 2019 Report Share Posted June 12, 2019 It is kind of a dumb idea because you want to maximize the opportunity for bigger decision opportunity. Better to let the starter open with the bases empty. The only reason to start with a reliever would be if you want to use a four-man rotation and have your starter throw four innings and get a win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yanks Posted June 12, 2019 Report Share Posted June 12, 2019 Hate it. All this shit is ruining the game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milwaukee mike Posted June 12, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2019 It is kind of a dumb idea because you want to maximize the opportunity for bigger decision opportunity. Better to let the starter open with the bases empty. The only reason to start with a reliever would be if you want to use a four-man rotation and have your starter throw four innings and get a win. disagree there are some big reasons to start with a reliever in the 1st inning instead of the 9th 1) make sure he goes against the top of the lineup2) if he is going to pitch 1 inning anyway, the 1st is just as important as the 9th3) "true" starter has to potentially go through the top of the lineup 1 less time even if he's pitching the same # of innings i hate it for betting purposes, but any team not doing this is just plain stupid... like when nobody was following analytics, rotating their outfield/infield defensively, etc etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingKolzig Posted June 12, 2019 Report Share Posted June 12, 2019 disagree there are some big reasons to start with a reliever in the 1st inning instead of the 9th 1) make sure he goes against the top of the lineup2) if he is going to pitch 1 inning anyway, the 1st is just as important as the 9th3) "true" starter has to potentially go through the top of the lineup 1 less time even if he's pitching the same # of innings i hate it for betting purposes, but any team not doing this is just plain stupid... like when nobody was following analytics, rotating their outfield/infield defensively, etc etc not always true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kovacsbar Posted June 13, 2019 Report Share Posted June 13, 2019 not always true absolutely not true at all, measured by a myriad of leverage statistics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
housepicks Posted June 13, 2019 Report Share Posted June 13, 2019 Guys are saying closers and openers now and versa vice for the games now today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kovacsbar Posted June 13, 2019 Report Share Posted June 13, 2019 MLB will adapt statistically soon. Baseball Reference has already altered the formula for WAR but fortunately have kept daily WAR logs. This guys get paid by performance and both the MLBPA and player agents are not gonna let this new approach morph into a way to cheapen payroll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
housepicks Posted June 13, 2019 Report Share Posted June 13, 2019 It’s very clear it’s unclear that no one knows what will happen next imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rito Posted June 13, 2019 Report Share Posted June 13, 2019 MLB will adapt statistically soon. Baseball Reference has already altered the formula for WAR but fortunately have kept daily WAR logs. This guys get paid by performance and both the MLBPA and player agents are not gonna let this new approach morph into a way to cheapen payroll.Wtf are you talking about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kovacsbar Posted June 13, 2019 Report Share Posted June 13, 2019 Wtf are you talking about slow your roll asshat you wanna discuss or act like you somebody? if door #2 you picked the wrong fukkin guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rito Posted June 13, 2019 Report Share Posted June 13, 2019 No I just seriously don't understand anything in that post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWarning Posted June 13, 2019 Report Share Posted June 13, 2019 disagree there are some big reasons to start with a reliever in the 1st inning instead of the 9th 1) make sure he goes against the top of the lineup2) if he is going to pitch 1 inning anyway, the 1st is just as important as the 9th3) "true" starter has to potentially go through the top of the lineup 1 less time even if he's pitching the same # of innings i hate it for betting purposes, but any team not doing this is just plain stupid... like when nobody was following analytics, rotating their outfield/infield defensively, etc etcAlso harder to stack your lineup against a righty/lefty. What if the "starter" now pitches two innings? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milwaukee mike Posted June 13, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 13, 2019 Also harder to stack your lineup against a righty/lefty. What if the "starter" now pitches two innings? bingo so many advantages compared to disadvantages... old school guys will eventually come around (maybe), but managers/coaches/etc usually don't think at a higher level these same dopes thought it was always smart to bunt runners over, hit and run, etc until people showed them that the numbers said otherwise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonkeyF0cker Posted June 13, 2019 Report Share Posted June 13, 2019 Also harder to stack your lineup against a righty/lefty. What if the "starter" now pitches two innings? This is the biggest advantage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonkeyF0cker Posted June 13, 2019 Report Share Posted June 13, 2019 Most times, you'll know who the second pitcher of the game is anyway... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machiavelli Posted June 13, 2019 Report Share Posted June 13, 2019 Most times, you'll know who the second pitcher of the game is anyway...Yea TB has Beeks who goes 3-5ip and I think he went 6 once. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milwaukee mike Posted June 13, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 13, 2019 just like the opposing team can't necessarily set their lineup right, they also can't bring in 9th inning pinch hitters against a closer, that might have his number or can hit his stuff better at some point unless the rules are changed, i think we'll see a bunch of 1-3 inning guys, and classic "starters" pitching almost every day i would bet that having each of your starters go through the lineup 1 time every game would be much better than having the same starter go through that lineup 3 times Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonkeyF0cker Posted June 13, 2019 Report Share Posted June 13, 2019 just like the opposing team can't necessarily set their lineup right, they also can't bring in 9th inning pinch hitters against a closer, that might have his number or can hit his stuff better at some point unless the rules are changed, i think we'll see a bunch of 1-3 inning guys, and classic "starters" pitching almost every day i would bet that having each of your starters go through the lineup 1 time every game would be much better than having the same starter go through that lineup 3 times Definitely trending more towards that. They'll burn the pens out doing it too much though. Not enough pitchers on the roster. They'll still need some pitchers to eat up some innings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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