D-Hustle Posted June 16, 2019 Report Share Posted June 16, 2019 I guess this is how George pays for his vacations. https://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sportsbooks-industry/3549861-hrwager-steals-2100-finds-any-excuse-not-pay.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rito Posted June 16, 2019 Report Share Posted June 16, 2019 If account is legit I promise you George pays. Unlike BetOnline that decides accounts aren't legit after 15 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BAUS Posted June 16, 2019 Report Share Posted June 16, 2019 Wasn’t there a poster who once tried to get bets refunded at WSEX claiming his little nephew got on his account? BAUS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeybagadonuts Posted June 16, 2019 Report Share Posted June 16, 2019 Wasn’t there a poster who once tried to get bets refunded at WSEX claiming his little nephew got on his account? BAUSPat MCIRISH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BAUS Posted June 16, 2019 Report Share Posted June 16, 2019 Pat MCIRISHYes, Patty lol. BAUS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Losco Posted June 16, 2019 Report Share Posted June 16, 2019 wade whats your name over there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kovacsbar Posted June 16, 2019 Report Share Posted June 16, 2019 Bullshit thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeinkeToWarrick Posted June 16, 2019 Report Share Posted June 16, 2019 Pat MCIRISHFat fucking piece of shit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HRWager Posted June 16, 2019 Report Share Posted June 16, 2019 Yeah, the guy signed a letter stating that he accepted that he violated the terms of our book. I offered him to go to the SBR and he would only get his deposit back and have a chance to receive the full or get his deposit back + $450 and sign the letter. The guy played with us, Ive known him for years from 1mice. So the guy wins and gets paid and since he couldnt get the same bonus he opened another account to circumvent the bonus rules. vin has joined.vin8:25 AMhi8:25 AMGus has joined.Gus8:25 AMGood morningvin8:25 AMmornin gusjus makin sure my payout req is all set?Gus8:26 AMHold on pleasevin8:26 AMsurevin8:33 AMgus?Gus8:35 AMSorry for the delay ---Can you send us a picture of your driver's license or state ID to fully verify your account please?vin8:36 AMsure where do i send?Gus8:36 AM[email protected]vin8:37 AMsentGus8:40 AMOkGus8:41 AMI have another question from the security & fraud crew.Do you know -----?vin8:42 AMHes my nephew. I babysit for him sometimes.vin8:45 AMgus?Gus8:45 AMI'm herevin8:45 AMokGus8:45 AMPlease holdGus8:57 AMI'm still here--- bear with me.vin8:57 AMokvin9:01 AMdo they need a utility bill or something to prove i am who i say i am?Gus9:04 AMNot reallyThe ID was enough to verify it's you.Gus9:06 AMThis is the situation. You and ---- logged in from the same place. Our systems show the same IP address.vin9:06 AMyes i told u i have visited his housevin9:07 AMi dont think he has played with u in some time.. Gus9:10 AMI noticed you have been going over our rules.vin9:10 AMright when im at his house i puck up his wifiGus9:10 AMAs you can see there: Only one bonus per account/household or environments where computers are shared.vin9:10 AMi live in a different statevin9:11 AMiv logged in in mass and ct as wellvin9:14 AMdo u want me to log in from my home in swansea ma?Gus9:14 AMThe evidence about your connection with --- and the fact that two accounts from the same household or enviroment took advantage of our bonuses is clear.vin9:14 AMwe live in different householdsGus9:14 AMSo this is what I was just informed by management.vin9:14 AMi only visit --- houseGus9:15 AMWe will return the amount of your deposit from xxx, $200.88 .Gus9:16 AMThat will be transferred to the xxx you already gave us.Gus9:17 AMBeside that we will send $450 through xxx to the receiver that you instruct us.vin9:17 AMi have 2700 in my actGus9:17 AMI am aware of thatvin9:19 AMso ur stealing $2100 from me because i went to my newphews house even though he hasnt played with you in months?Gus9:20 AMAs I explained this goes against the rules stated in our website.vin9:21 AMso if 2 people who have an act with you. go to someplace that has wifi. and they both log in to bet. u close both acts?trying to understand this rulevin has requested an email transcript.Gus9:23 AMYou said it yourself, it's not "some place" it's ----house.vin9:24 AMdoes he have an active act with you?ur acting like i was stealing from you..Gus9:25 AMIt's explained very clear in our site. You just read it in the Fraud and Collusion Rules. Beside the bonus program rule I wrote a moment ago.Gus9:26 AMCollusion is defined as the use of multiple accounts to gain an unfair advantage over the software and/or over the intended rules and limits per account as related to our listed terms and conditions.vin9:26 AMwhat was the advantage?$300 freeplay?Gus9:27 AMCorrect, the bonus.vin9:27 AMso take the bonus baccknot $2100Gus9:27 AMAgain xxx, we will return your $200.88 plus $450.Gus9:28 AMAs soon as you let me know the receiver's name I will forward it to the payouts crew.vin9:28 AM--Gus9:28 AMLet me checkvin9:34 AMno?Gus9:37 AMYes, we can send it through xxx. But before transferring the funds we need to get a letter from you accepting this resolution that was decided as a result of the fact that you had constant action from the same house of another account holder.vin9:38 AMobviously i didnt know i was breaking any rulesvin9:39 AMIf i kept losing would u of stopped taking my deposits?Gus9:39 AMYou need to sign the letter please.vin9:39 AMcan u answer my ?Gus9:39 AMIt's not a matter of winning or losingvin9:39 AMwould u of stopped me from depositing because of ip addys?Gus9:40 AMAs you can read in the rules it does not say anything about winning or losing.And yesvin9:40 AMcan i counter offer half of my balance returned?i dont feel %18 pct is too fairvin9:41 AMmy buddy works for SBR forum. He said hes surprised ur doing this to your customersvin9:42 AMBrad Scott. not sure if uv heard of himGus9:42 AMI have not.Gus9:44 AMAs for the amount, I am aware that only the deposit amount was going to be returned.But afterwards they decided to add the $450 on top of it.vin9:44 AMright..vin9:45 AMnot even %20 pct Gus..vin9:46 AMI only played here because u had a good reputation on the forum..Gus9:46 AMI'm sorry xxx but that was the amount that management decided.vin9:46 AMno problems with payout. Now u bust my balls because i visited my my newphew whos act has not been active for at least 6 mosGus9:50 AMIt's not something we came up with just now, it has been there all along.vin9:51 AMdid u ask if they would do half?Gus9:52 AMThey confirmed that it will be the deposit amount plus $450I am sending you an email right nowvin9:52 AMokGus9:52 AMWith the content of the letter that you must sign and send back to us.vin9:53 AMokGus9:53 AMGive me a momentGus10:00 AMEmail sentvin10:00 AMokGus10:01 AMPlease make sure that the letter is signed by hand. You can scan it or take a picture of it and email it to the same email address where you sent the pic of the ID.vin10:06 AMsent gusvin10:08 AMu said xxx was ok?Gus10:08 AMThat's correctvin10:08 AMu have the addresses?xxx and xxx?Gus10:10 AMHold onvin10:10 AMxxxxxxvin10:13 AMgus? i gotta goGus10:13 AMI just replied to your emailGus10:14 AMPlease print and sign the one I just sentI didn't know that you were going to print the email I sentI thought you were going to paste it on a separate word sheetLet me knowvin10:15 AMya ill be backc10:16 AMvin has left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonkeyF0cker Posted June 16, 2019 Report Share Posted June 16, 2019 Rules that allow either side to freeroll the other are not good rules for a sportsbook IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hangover Posted June 16, 2019 Report Share Posted June 16, 2019 WVU strikes again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deemer Posted June 16, 2019 Report Share Posted June 16, 2019 Not really a voluntary signed letter. Gave the guy one option and he caved.... can’t really say I’m team htw here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocketMan Posted June 16, 2019 Report Share Posted June 16, 2019 I found out Hr Wager, Bet Phoenix, Mania are now pretty much the same book, if you get a payout from Hr Wager it effects getting a bonus at Bet Phoenix now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeman Posted June 16, 2019 Report Share Posted June 16, 2019 Yeah, the guy signed a letter stating that he accepted that he violated the terms of our book. I offered him to go to the SBR and he would only get his deposit back and have a chance to receive the full or get his deposit back + $450 and sign the letter. The guy played with us, Ive known him for years from 1mice. So the guy wins and gets paid and since he couldnt get the same bonus he opened another account to circumvent the bonus rules. vin has joined.vin8:25 AMhi8:25 AMGus has joined.Gus8:25 AMGood morningvin8:25 AMmornin gusjus makin sure my payout req is all set?Gus8:26 AMHold on pleasevin8:26 AMsurevin8:33 AMgus?Gus8:35 AMSorry for the delay ---Can you send us a picture of your driver's license or state ID to fully verify your account please?vin8:36 AMsure where do i send?Gus8:36 AM[email protected]vin8:37 AMsentGus8:40 AMOkGus8:41 AMI have another question from the security & fraud crew.Do you know -----?vin8:42 AMHes my nephew. I babysit for him sometimes.vin8:45 AMgus?Gus8:45 AMI'm herevin8:45 AMokGus8:45 AMPlease holdGus8:57 AMI'm still here--- bear with me.vin8:57 AMokvin9:01 AMdo they need a utility bill or something to prove i am who i say i am?Gus9:04 AMNot reallyThe ID was enough to verify it's you.Gus9:06 AMThis is the situation. You and ---- logged in from the same place. Our systems show the same IP address.vin9:06 AMyes i told u i have visited his housevin9:07 AMi dont think he has played with u in some time.. Gus9:10 AMI noticed you have been going over our rules.vin9:10 AMright when im at his house i puck up his wifiGus9:10 AMAs you can see there: Only one bonus per account/household or environments where computers are shared.vin9:10 AMi live in a different statevin9:11 AMiv logged in in mass and ct as wellvin9:14 AMdo u want me to log in from my home in swansea ma?Gus9:14 AMThe evidence about your connection with --- and the fact that two accounts from the same household or enviroment took advantage of our bonuses is clear.vin9:14 AMwe live in different householdsGus9:14 AMSo this is what I was just informed by management.vin9:14 AMi only visit --- houseGus9:15 AMWe will return the amount of your deposit from xxx, $200.88 .Gus9:16 AMThat will be transferred to the xxx you already gave us.Gus9:17 AMBeside that we will send $450 through xxx to the receiver that you instruct us.vin9:17 AMi have 2700 in my actGus9:17 AMI am aware of thatvin9:19 AMso ur stealing $2100 from me because i went to my newphews house even though he hasnt played with you in months?Gus9:20 AMAs I explained this goes against the rules stated in our website.vin9:21 AMso if 2 people who have an act with you. go to someplace that has wifi. and they both log in to bet. u close both acts?trying to understand this rulevin has requested an email transcript.Gus9:23 AMYou said it yourself, it's not "some place" it's ----house.vin9:24 AMdoes he have an active act with you?ur acting like i was stealing from you..Gus9:25 AMIt's explained very clear in our site. You just read it in the Fraud and Collusion Rules. Beside the bonus program rule I wrote a moment ago.Gus9:26 AMCollusion is defined as the use of multiple accounts to gain an unfair advantage over the software and/or over the intended rules and limits per account as related to our listed terms and conditions.vin9:26 AMwhat was the advantage?$300 freeplay?Gus9:27 AMCorrect, the bonus.vin9:27 AMso take the bonus baccknot $2100Gus9:27 AMAgain xxx, we will return your $200.88 plus $450.Gus9:28 AMAs soon as you let me know the receiver's name I will forward it to the payouts crew.vin9:28 AM--Gus9:28 AMLet me checkvin9:34 AMno?Gus9:37 AMYes, we can send it through xxx. But before transferring the funds we need to get a letter from you accepting this resolution that was decided as a result of the fact that you had constant action from the same house of another account holder.vin9:38 AMobviously i didnt know i was breaking any rulesvin9:39 AMIf i kept losing would u of stopped taking my deposits?Gus9:39 AMYou need to sign the letter please.vin9:39 AMcan u answer my ?Gus9:39 AMIt's not a matter of winning or losingvin9:39 AMwould u of stopped me from depositing because of ip addys?Gus9:40 AMAs you can read in the rules it does not say anything about winning or losing.And yesvin9:40 AMcan i counter offer half of my balance returned?i dont feel %18 pct is too fairvin9:41 AMmy buddy works for SBR forum. He said hes surprised ur doing this to your customersvin9:42 AMBrad Scott. not sure if uv heard of himGus9:42 AMI have not.Gus9:44 AMAs for the amount, I am aware that only the deposit amount was going to be returned.But afterwards they decided to add the $450 on top of it.vin9:44 AMright..vin9:45 AMnot even %20 pct Gus..vin9:46 AMI only played here because u had a good reputation on the forum..Gus9:46 AMI'm sorry xxx but that was the amount that management decided.vin9:46 AMno problems with payout. Now u bust my balls because i visited my my newphew whos act has not been active for at least 6 mosGus9:50 AMIt's not something we came up with just now, it has been there all along.vin9:51 AMdid u ask if they would do half?Gus9:52 AMThey confirmed that it will be the deposit amount plus $450I am sending you an email right nowvin9:52 AMokGus9:52 AMWith the content of the letter that you must sign and send back to us.vin9:53 AMokGus9:53 AMGive me a momentGus10:00 AMEmail sentvin10:00 AMokGus10:01 AMPlease make sure that the letter is signed by hand. You can scan it or take a picture of it and email it to the same email address where you sent the pic of the ID.vin10:06 AMsent gusvin10:08 AMu said xxx was ok?Gus10:08 AMThat's correctvin10:08 AMu have the addresses?xxx and xxx?Gus10:10 AMHold onvin10:10 AMxxxxxxvin10:13 AMgus? i gotta goGus10:13 AMI just replied to your emailGus10:14 AMPlease print and sign the one I just sentI didn't know that you were going to print the email I sentI thought you were going to paste it on a separate word sheetLet me knowvin10:15 AMya ill be backc10:16 AMvin has left. A perfect example of why you shouldn't deal with offshore books anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWarning Posted June 16, 2019 Report Share Posted June 16, 2019 How often to they check duplicate IP’s, only at cash out? What happens if two players play at work or a public place, like a library? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeman Posted June 16, 2019 Report Share Posted June 16, 2019 How often to they check duplicate IP’s, only at cash out? What happens if two players play at work or a public place, like a library?Or your at a friend's or relatives house, total bullshit, acting like those silly bonuses with huge rollovers are as precious as gold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoops Posted June 16, 2019 Report Share Posted June 16, 2019 Who works in the fraud department? Didn’t know George had big brother software to see every item of the website we read :escape How much has the guy won/loss with you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Hustle Posted June 16, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2019 here's the head of the fraud department Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HRWager Posted June 16, 2019 Report Share Posted June 16, 2019 I found out Hr Wager, Bet Phoenix, Mania are now pretty much the same book, if you get a payout from Hr Wager it effects getting a bonus at Bet Phoenix now.I wasn’t aware of that. They do have access to our info and ditto for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HRWager Posted June 16, 2019 Report Share Posted June 16, 2019 How often to they check duplicate IP’s, only at cash out? What happens if two players play at work or a public place, like a library?When an account is created they have to use a different ip or it won’t allow them to create a new one. Who goes to a library nowadays. Anyhow he also used the same device, not just the same ip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machiavelli Posted June 16, 2019 Report Share Posted June 16, 2019 Not really a voluntary signed letter. Gave the guy one option and he caved.... can’t really say I’m team htw hereFair point here, but if you felt you had a case, wouldn't you just not sign n play it out? But I guess getting 650 or so is > 0. Just think if money wasnt a pressing issue, dude would hold out at least a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoops Posted June 16, 2019 Report Share Posted June 16, 2019 here's the head of the fraud department Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoops Posted June 16, 2019 Report Share Posted June 16, 2019 Ironically, I feel if this guy had asked for a bonus he would have gotten it unless he was up lifetime My take if he was up and you kicked him out for winning to much and he got this past you, then don’t pay him shit If he was a regular Joe, and he found a way to get an extra bonus, pay him and boot him and make him sign that letter If you guys knew what he was doing and taking the deposits to see how it played out, pay him 50% and boot him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machiavelli Posted June 16, 2019 Report Share Posted June 16, 2019 Ironically, I feel if this guy had asked for a bonus he would have gotten it unless he was up lifetime My take if he was up and you kicked him out for winning to much and he got this past you, then don’t pay him shit If he was a regular Joe, and he found a way to get an extra bonus, pay him and boot him and make him sign that letter If you guys knew what he was doing and taking the deposits to see how it played out, pay him 50% and boot himFair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
housepicks Posted June 16, 2019 Report Share Posted June 16, 2019 If he settled at deposit +18% he was up to no good and knew it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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