Machiavelli Posted October 7, 2019 Report Share Posted October 7, 2019 Exactly. At least we have God-Emperor Trump in office while we sort all this out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BranchDavidian Posted October 7, 2019 Report Share Posted October 7, 2019 Exactly. At least we have God-Emperor Trump in office while we sort all this out.Unless those lying, traitorous Dems can convince enough Americans to turn America into a banana republic for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeman Posted October 7, 2019 Report Share Posted October 7, 2019 Exactly. At least we have God-Emperor Trump in office while we sort all this out.I'm not a big God guy, but if you believe, one would have to conclude that Donald Trump is his vessel on earth. A perfect representative for our modern imperfect time, he exhibits every human flaw, yet he will save us from the evil forces that threaten America and the world! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gijoe066 Posted October 7, 2019 Report Share Posted October 7, 2019 TRUMP is my GOD and I prayed SUNDAY THAT HE WONT HAVE US DRINK THE KOOL AID(I'LL BE 1ST IN LINE) BECAUSE I SEE WHAT IT DID TO 900 OF JAMES JONES FOLLOWERS BUT I WILL GO FIGHT IN THE NEXT CIVIL WAR!!I GOT A FEW AR-15'S THAT I LIKE TO TRY OUT!!WAR OVER DEATH IS WHAT I WANT!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadTiger Posted October 7, 2019 Report Share Posted October 7, 2019 The oldest argument for the existence of God is that nothing can exist without being created. Since we have been created, there must be a God that did it. QED.The problem with that "proof", is that you now have to explain who created God, since you have already postulated that nothing can be created without a creator. Had to be a bigger God! And, then who created that Bigger God, and on and on and on. Just like infinity, God does not respond to reason. You are reading what I wrote and then writing that? Come, now. That was the WHOLE POINT OF THE POST. I said there is one miracle (The Divine/Universe, etc. always existing), and everything comes after that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadTiger Posted October 7, 2019 Report Share Posted October 7, 2019 Yup. God and evolution are not incompatible. Doesn't require a different view of God, just that creation was not static. But how did everything start? Did it start or was it always here? Is time infinite? Here's the conundrum of the day: If God always existed, and then created the universe at some point in time --- that means that God existed for an infinite amount of time before deciding to create us. ( Infinity may not respond to reason! )If an infinite amount of time passes and we have not been created, then we never will be created. An infinity of time can be divided up into segments. An infinity of time elapsed while God existed and nothing else existed before God got around to considering creation. If any infinity of time is required before any other act, that other act is impossible. Look at how Zeno's paradox discusses your bolded thoughts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAG Posted October 8, 2019 Report Share Posted October 8, 2019 According to Christianity, God spoke to Moses and revealed what He wanted from Humans. The WORD was put into written form so there would be no mystery as to what He wanted. All us humans had to do was be born after Moses and hear what Moses said to the masses, and have a good reason to believe Moses. We don't need to reject any science, and we don't need to accept any science. Only reason. If there is a God, He is not bound by laws. He is magical. He knows our every thought and desire. He has told us His desire, according to Christianity. He wants us to worship Him. No mystery.So, what does your super-magical being do after creating the universe to ensure that His desires are met? Some period of time after many generations of humans have lived and died, He comes down to Earth and gives Moses the Word, so it can get transmitted to the rest of humanity.Now, your God has the ability to communicate with each and every one of His subjects since He knows our every thought, but He elects to let one man spread the word at at time in history when there is no social media. The Word is not going to reach humanity, and how much of humanity is going to believe any of the fanatics that are running around in the World at this time claiming to have special knowledge from God!!! Really? Does this sound like a Divine Plan, or more like the oldest human scam on Earth?Yes, there are alot of questions out there that we can't answer --- but, this one seems pretty obvious if you have not been indoctrinated. The Ten Commandments are in the Old Testament and are not the essence of Christianity which was brought forth under the New Covenant. For all I know, none of you are real and this is only my reality and God has given me this knowledge (story as you would say) on which to make a decision about how to live my life. I’ve also been reading up on Calvinism and the concept of pre-destination which is pretty interesting and would answer some questions you pose, although creating others. At the risk of sounding like a picker and choose type, I can accept many scenarios under which the world came to be. I do believe in coexistence of God and evolution. The only thing that I feel I “know” for certain, is that there is a God/Divine Creator/Holy Spirit...and that is based on personal experiences, not indoctrination. Again, the basis of most of your arguments seems to be why did God choose to reveal himself to certain people and why not now come down to earth and “prove” his existence. Again, I think that comes down to the idea of mystery and faith...and it’s importance for whatever reason,,,not mine to question. Also many Christians believe in the concept of Universal salvation, so there’s that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeybagadonuts Posted October 8, 2019 Report Share Posted October 8, 2019 If there were a god France would have been nuked. Rudest fucks on earth!! Border control lady serious tried to make me miss on flight on purpose. Fucking c u n t. Barely got allowed on and drenched in sweat. Fuck this pos country and all their people Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAG Posted October 8, 2019 Report Share Posted October 8, 2019 If there were a god France would have been nuked. Rudest fucks on earth!! Border control lady serious tried to make me miss on flight on purpose. Fucking c u n t. Barely got allowed on and drenched in sweat. Fuck this pos country and all their peopleNever been there, but my one brother goes 2x a year. Loves it. My niece speaks fluent French and spent some time living there. Not sure I would enjoy.,..get on to Italy!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeman Posted October 8, 2019 Report Share Posted October 8, 2019 If there were a god France would have been nuked. Rudest fucks on earth!! Border control lady serious tried to make me miss on flight on purpose. Fucking c u n t. Barely got allowed on and drenched in sweat. Fuck this pos country and all their peopleProb 100 million people have said the same thing before you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeybagadonuts Posted October 8, 2019 Report Share Posted October 8, 2019 I’ve been to France a few times and always disliked it. People stink, are all rude, and their food is overrated. Whoreshit country. Avoid. (Though to be fair most of Italy stinks and the people are kinda rude to Americans too ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeybagadonuts Posted October 8, 2019 Report Share Posted October 8, 2019 Prob 100 million people have said the same thing before you.Fuck off dumb fukkkk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeman Posted October 8, 2019 Report Share Posted October 8, 2019 Fuck off dumb fukkkkk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BranchDavidian Posted October 8, 2019 Report Share Posted October 8, 2019 The Ten Commandments are in the Old Testament and are not the essence of Christianity which was brought forth under the New Covenant. For all I know, none of you are real and this is only my reality and God has given me this knowledge (story as you would say) on which to make a decision about how to live my life. I’ve also been reading up on Calvinism and the concept of pre-destination which is pretty interesting and would answer some questions you pose, although creating others. At the risk of sounding like a picker and choose type, I can accept many scenarios under which the world came to be. I do believe in coexistence of God and evolution. The only thing that I feel I “know” for certain, is that there is a God/Divine Creator/Holy Spirit...and that is based on personal experiences, not indoctrination. Again, the basis of most of your arguments seems to be why did God choose to reveal himself to certain people and why not now come down to earth and “prove” his existence. Again, I think that comes down to the idea of mystery and faith...and it’s importance for whatever reason,,,not mine to question. Also many Christians believe in the concept of Universal salvation, so there’s that. Sounds like you don't like the Old Testament too much? Are you picking and choosing which parts of the Bible to believe? Are some of the newer things the Bible claims God says more believable than some of the older stuff? Here's another worry I've had: Why would a monotheistic God make a commandment for His followers to not worship other gods before Him? Who are these other gods that God is jealous of when writing those commandments? ( It seems it is O.K. to worship other gods, just don't place them higher than God. )Pagan gods, of course, which were worshiped by people at that time. So, it seems that whoever wrote the Ten Commandments believes that multiple gods exists.Do you think God is worried about beings such as Santa Claus or Thor or Baal, or could it be that Moses ( or more accurately the author of Genesis ) is more likely the being worried about people worshiping gods other than God? Seems that Divine Inspiration is nothing but human imagination. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAG Posted October 8, 2019 Report Share Posted October 8, 2019 Sounds like you don't like the Old Testament too much? Are you picking and choosing which parts of the Bible to believe? Are some of the newer things the Bible claims God says more believable than some of the older stuff? Here's another worry I've had: Why would a monotheistic God make a commandment for His followers to not worship other gods before Him? Who are these other gods that God is jealous of when writing those commandments? ( It seems it is O.K. to worship other gods, just don't place them higher than God. )Pagan gods, of course, which were worshiped by people at that time. So, it seems that whoever wrote the Ten Commandments believes that multiple gods exists.Do you think God is worried about beings such as Santa Claus or Thor or Baal, or could it be that Moses ( or more accurately the author of Genesis ) is more likely the being worried about people worshiping gods other than God? Seems that Divine Inspiration is nothing but human imagination.Um....it’s not that I don’t “like” the OT....it’s just that it has much less to do with Christianity. It’s not that some things are more believable, some are just more relevant.....I.e., the NT. It replaces many OT teachings....and that was always the plan. Not here to debate. Because it’s impossible to win either way ...a debate as to the existence of God. You believe or you don’t. I do. you don’t. That’s ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadTiger Posted October 8, 2019 Report Share Posted October 8, 2019 Here's another worry I've had: Why would a monotheistic God make a commandment for His followers to not worship other gods before Him? Who are these other gods that God is jealous of when writing those commandments? Many people know the words "montheism" and "polytheism", but I want to show off a word I learned some time ago that is not as popular, but very relevant: HENOTHEISM. It applies to the Hebrew situation at this time you are referencing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BranchDavidian Posted October 9, 2019 Report Share Posted October 9, 2019 Many people know the words "montheism" and "polytheism", but I want to show off a word I learned some time ago that is not as popular, but very relevant: HENOTHEISM. It applies to the Hebrew situation at this time you are referencing. That's a new one for me. And, it makes sense. The Israelites at that time seemed to mix and match as they saw fit. A conglomeration of Greek gods and Pagan gods were all worshiped for various reasons. So, when the Christians came on the scene with their newfangled one-god religion --- the new religion had to acknowledge the existence of the already recognized gods or it wouldn't have any credibility with the public. Those early Christians were able to spread their fairytale at the expense of the Greek and Pagan fairiytales. And, the current Christians have no problem ignoring the fact that their Creator of the Universe had to admit that there are other gods that pre-date Him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeybagadonuts Posted October 9, 2019 Report Share Posted October 9, 2019 Currently in ROME. Went into a church (with my mom) and lit a candle for all the tgf HEATHENS. Will post a pic when I have WiFi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
housepicks Posted October 9, 2019 Report Share Posted October 9, 2019 Joe is on the top of the food chain. Probably has an underground bunker and will be one of the 10% left when depopulation takes place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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joeybagadonuts Posted October 9, 2019 Report Share Posted October 9, 2019 The tall white one on the left was for TGF. Cost me a 5 euro donation to light it. Was worried the whole place was going to catch fire when I lit it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdalert447 Posted October 9, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2019 JBD is slowly making his way back to The Lord. Makes my thread worthwhile. I am humbled...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdalert447 Posted October 9, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2019 Probably makes me the first poster in forumville history to save someone’s soul by creating a thread. Don’t know what I can possibly do for an ENCORE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeybagadonuts Posted October 9, 2019 Report Share Posted October 9, 2019 JBD is slowly making his way back to The Lord. Makes my thread worthwhile. I am humbled......Hahahahaha. Not a chance pal. Satan -150 over Jesus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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