tailsyoulose Posted November 21, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 Patrick had a college appearance set for tonight that he cancelled after only 2 people showed up lol i saw that. pretty funny, and not totally unexpected. i was hoping some folks on betfair would be willing to lay him at 100-1ish as a result but no such luck. still plugging away on that one though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWarning Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 Yang has pretty much no shot but I’d probably throw him a vote. He’s a little nutty but I do appreciate the way he approaches problems.He really stands out compared to the rest, he’s actually sane. Mayor Pete is also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machiavelli Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 Yang has pretty much no shot but I’d probably throw him a vote. He’s a little nutty but I do appreciate the way he approaches problems. He could take the widest coalition.....but that's why he's being frozen out, imo. For all of Trump's anti-establishment talk, he's pretty much standard establishment in behavior. Yang would be truly innovative.....maybe some bad, but also a ton of good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWarning Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 He could take the widest coalition.....but that's why he's being frozen out, imo. For all of Trump's anti-establishment talk, he's pretty much standard establishment in behavior. Yang would be truly innovative.....maybe some bad, but also a ton of good.It would depend on who he surrounds a himself with, and does he listen to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machiavelli Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 It would depend on who he surrounds a himself with, and does he listen to them. Agreed. I think the key is the willingness to explore unconventional ideas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theguesser Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 He could take the widest coalition.....but that's why he's being frozen out, imo. For all of Trump's anti-establishment talk, he's pretty much standard establishment in behavior. Yang would be truly innovative.....maybe some bad, but also a ton of good. Yang is hardly "being frozen out". In fact, of all the total outsiders, he has had the most traction. Perez has done a very good job of ensuring DNC fairness, after the corruption of Debbie Washerwoman Schultz. Yang's not POTUS timber yet, but I'd heartily endorse him running for NYC mayor in 2021 and dipping his toe into actually running things politically. He's an impressive guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machiavelli Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 Yang is hardly "being frozen out". In fact, of all the total outsiders, he has had the most traction. Perez has done a very good job of ensuring DNC fairness, after the corruption of Debbie Washerwoman Schultz. Yang's not POTUS timber yet, but I'd heartily endorse him running for NYC mayor in 2021 and dipping his toe into actually running things politically. He's an impressive guy. The debate talking times tell a diff story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theguesser Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 The debate talking times tell a diff story. Yang isn't attacking anyone, nor being attacked. For an outsider, that's how you get talking time in a debate. That's why traitor Tulsi attacked Kamala and Mayor Pete and pretty much the whole D party tonight. She's desperately trying to be relevant to someone other than Cultists. Yang doesn't play those games. https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2019/politics/who-spoke-most-at-democratic-debate-november/ Great chart at the bottom about who attacked and was attacked. Yang attacked nobody, and nobody attacked him. That's how you get the least time in a debate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tailsyoulose Posted November 21, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 Yang isn't attacking anyone, nor being attacked. For an outsider, that's how you get talking time in a debate. That's why traitor Tulsi attacked Kamala and Mayor Pete and pretty much the whole D party tonight. She's desperately trying to be relevant to someone other than Cultists. Yang doesn't play those games. https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2019/politics/who-spoke-most-at-democratic-debate-november/ Great chart at the bottom about who attacked and was attacked. Yang attacked nobody, and nobody attacked him. That's how you get the least time in a debate. so if attacking like tulsi did buys you more airtime, why are her talking times consistently the lowest as well? mach is right here - the media and dem establishment (basically the same thing) decides who gets to talk. and it aint yang. and it sure as hell aint tulsi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theguesser Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 so if attacking like tulsi did buys you more airtime, why are her talking times consistently the lowest as well? mach is right here - the media and dem establishment (basically the same thing) decides who gets to talk. and it aint yang. and it sure as hell aint tulsi.Traitor Tulsi got more talking time than her anti D candidacy deserves, and she only got it because of the attacks. In general, the higher polling candidates get the most talking time. That's how it should be. In fact, I'd argue Perez and the DNC have been far too generous to the lower polling candidates they are allowing on the debate stages. By this time, higher polling numbers should be required, IMO. https://ballotpedia.org/Democratic_presidential_primary_debate_(December_19,_2019) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machiavelli Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 Let's not forget the graphics that the stations would use. Soft restriction in play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theguesser Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 In terms of betting, while still the favorite or co Favorite, Lizzie has been sinking in the betting odds. She took 2 significant steps to try and halt that, and I'm surprised one of them didn't come up in the debate. She has basically shifted away from Bernie's medicare for all option, and more to Mayor Pete's Medicare for all if you want it option, but you can still keep your insurance. https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2019-11-20/elizabeth-warren-medicare-all-healthcare-democratsThat's pretty significant, and she can either be accused of hypocrisy, or pragmatism. She also kinda came out in favor of required national required service. These signal that if she is the candidate, she will have no problem pivoting more to the center, as usually happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balco Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 Mayor Pete is also.How on the hell do you vote for someone who hates the cops????Tulsi Gabbard stands out as the best Libby. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tailsyoulose Posted November 21, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 REMINDER: NO FUCKING POLITICS. take that to the aids infested shitheap thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWarning Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 In terms of betting, while still the favorite or co Favorite, Lizzie has been sinking in the betting odds. She took 2 significant steps to try and halt that, and I'm surprised one of them didn't come up in the debate. She has basically shifted away from Bernie's medicare for all option, and more to Mayor Pete's Medicare for all if you want it option, but you can still keep your insurance. https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2019-11-20/elizabeth-warren-medicare-all-healthcare-democratsThat's pretty significant, and she can either be accused of hypocrisy, or pragmatism. She also kinda came out in favor of required national required service. These signal that if she is the candidate, she will have no problem pivoting more to the center, as usually happens. Whoever emerges from the left will be the one who drifts to center and can effectively pull Trump Dems away. Everyone is fighting for that 1/3 of registered voters wno are not hardcore D's or R's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenDoberman Posted November 22, 2019 Report Share Posted November 22, 2019 Any significant odds movement based on last night's debate.Don't follow this shit closely myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeman Posted November 22, 2019 Report Share Posted November 22, 2019 Any significant odds movement based on last night's debate.Don't follow this shit closely myself.I dont know about the odds, but biden is falling, warren has peaked, and buttboy is rising, and bernie, he's just too angry, unlikely he'll ever get higher than he is right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rito Posted November 22, 2019 Report Share Posted November 22, 2019 nm wrong bet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rito Posted November 22, 2019 Report Share Posted November 22, 2019 Warren/Biden/Buttigieg all around +300 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenDoberman Posted November 22, 2019 Report Share Posted November 22, 2019 Political odds are a lot like American idol bettingin the past. If you can identify the subgenres of demographics and figure where their percentages will go as they drop out/ get eliminated you can put yourself in favorable positions. Most don't realize a favorite in a ten horse race with 30 percent of the vote can't win as others are eliminated if they've maxed out their core voting base. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeman Posted November 22, 2019 Report Share Posted November 22, 2019 Political odds are a lot like American idol bettingin the past. If you can identify the subgenres of demographics and figure where their percentages will go as they drop out/ get eliminated you can put yourself in favorable positions. Most don't realize a favorite in a ten horse race with 30 percent of the vote can't win as others are eliminated if they've maxed out their core voting base.The problem is neither warren or Bernie will drop out, if either one did the other would get most of their support, Biden could drop out - but he could easily be the nominee too. Buttboy runs good in white states but terrible in black states. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenDoberman Posted November 22, 2019 Report Share Posted November 22, 2019 Couldn't tell you the difference but in the end there will be one, dropping out/ eliminated all semantics. You aren't 12 so buttboy isn't funny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenDoberman Posted November 22, 2019 Report Share Posted November 22, 2019 The problem is neither warren or Bernie will drop out, if either one did the other would get most of their support, Biden could drop out - but he could easily be the nominee too. Buttboy runs good in white states but terrible in black states. Didn't know there were white states and black states. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balco Posted November 22, 2019 Report Share Posted November 22, 2019 Warren/Biden/Buttigieg all around +300Tells a lot about this nutter party. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeman Posted November 22, 2019 Report Share Posted November 22, 2019 Didn't know there were white states and black states.As far as the dem nomination goes there are, Buttboy is running ahead in iowa and NH(few blacks), all through the south blacks make up a huge % of the dem vote, since most whites are republican, then you have the big urban area states(IL OH, PA NY) with lots of dem delegates depending on black support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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