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Since there is very little gambling talk and my Twitter feed is ridiculously biased god bless my followers I couldn't think of where to ask this that was better than here.

 

First let me state this is not a Bernie or Trump nor is it blue vs red or commie vs capitalist discussion. I know that is what will likely make this thread useless after 10 posts at best but let's give it a shot.

 

I am a self employed man who makes claims around 85k a year that I pay taxes on quarterly as a independent contractor.

 

I have a pre existing condition. 82 million americans have a form of pre existing and 64 million need daily or weekly prescription use and or doctors doctor's visits. I currently am eligible for Cignasilver or colorado cares aka Obamahealth and pay around 285 a month. I also pay a additional state tax for this as do all people of colorado its minimal though and I'd guess 99.8% of citizens dont notice it. The average citizen despite health pays around 332$ a month according to Google most recieve this through their jobs. Only 12% of americans pay for insurance independently.

 

If we continue on the trajectory of doing away with plans that protect and give breaks to citizens with pre existing my plan would go up to 8x what I currently pay. I spoke with the broker I have to go through every Jan. 31st and the claim was 1974$ monthly. This would go into effect Jan. 10th 2021 quite possibly. Of the 82 million with a pre existing condition roughly 75% are elderly and another 9% are juvenile. In other words I'm in that completely unprotected area and scared shitless.

 

Healthcare for all seems to be a great idea but if you are of the % that needs daily, weekly doctor visits (I suffer from anxiety disorder as some of you may know) and it's not clear whether psychiatry, pediatric, chiropractic aka alot of actics would be covered. We have to take some power away from big pharma and insurance companies I think everyone can agree there. My fear I suppose is at what cost and how quickly?

 

I'm not fearful of Medicare/cade for all as much as I'm in fear of stripping away all protective measures in place but I am in fear nonetheless and it's the biggest debacle as it seems there is no meeting in the middle. I do fear a government trying to sort it out while our medical system is in limbo while they argue over money more than anything else.

 

I've spent my entire gambling career saying I dont care what happens dont let me live in Las vegas or Costa Rica. One may be forced upon me soon. Thoughts or opinions are welcome and try to be civil towards one another except Teddy as we know he rigged the vote:)

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We already have healthcare for all, if you're sick with no money and have no ins, you go to the emergency room.

Ever try that? Assistant and I took her to the ER with the worst case of bronchitis you've ever seen. No insurance.. 8 hours waiting room, 5 minutes in hospital room, 1 minute diagnosis and get her out as quick as I've ever seen. Shipped her off to urgent care 145$ later got a script that was wrong and boom back to the urgent care another 145.. works at whole foods at night for the benefits now. Dont tell me that's health care because it's clearly not brother

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Medicare taxes get held out of everybody's pay check.  There are no refunds.  

 

If there is medicare for all.  Medicare taxes will sky rocket and minimum wage people will get a much smaller pay check.

 

If the government just pays for healthcare - they will pay much more then than they do now.

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890 billion was lost to medicare fraud in 2018 (2019 numbers not given yet) according to medicare.  Can you imagine how much would be lost/stolen with "medicare for all"?

 

Also, medicare is paid for by a lifetime of working taxes and you still have a monthly premium of $144.60 (or more if your income is higher).  Where does the money come from for someone that is just starting their career??

 

Also, there would be no pre existing conditions if people signed up for insurance from the start.  Babies are covered and anything after that existed after you could have had insurance.  The problem is, people don't want to pay for insurance until they need it and it cant work that way

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Honestly I can’t relate to this whole medical for everyone talk, only skimmed thru Eddies post because it’s all over my head anyway.

 

I grew up with my parents having health insurance, my kids and wife only know having health insurance....

 

It’s part of being in the union, I went to a chiropractor last week just because it was free and I can go 35x a year for free, I don’t need it but it’s a free massage so fvck it...

 

Doesn’t really add to the discussion but I guess if I didn’t have insurance it would suck going to the doctor and paying $200 for an aspirin

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890 billion was lost to medicare fraud in 2018 (2019 numbers not given yet) according to medicare.  Can you imagine how much would be lost/stolen with "medicare for all"?

 

Also, medicare is paid for by a lifetime of working taxes and you still have a monthly premium of $144.60 (or more if your income is higher).  Where does the money come from for someone that is just starting their career??

 

Also, there would be no pre existing conditions if people signed up for insurance from the start.  Babies are covered and anything after that existed after you could have had insurance.  The problem is, people don't want to pay for insurance until they need it and it cant work that way

Well said!  There is no number or % of income agreeable to everybody.  Let's say it was 10% - Very few people would say that is reasonable.  20k income guy cannot afford 2k.  300k income guy says this sucks - I am paying 30K and the scientific cost is much less.  85k guy with 8500 held out - might be a fair price.

 

We have not even mentioned that medical and pharmaceutical technology would stagnate a great deal.  No incentive to research. 

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Great thread. I have some thoughts, as in similar predicament, but will wait until I can gather them together in a more coherent fashion.

 

 

One thing I do want to say/clarify with regard to TN’s post,  is that I have never had a day of my life in which I did not have health insurance coverage. Period.   But when I lost group coverage from my workplace when moving here, I was quoted $1600 per month due to pre-existing conditions with back, and having taken anti depressants....two of the costlier pre- existing conditions.    They have to provide you coverage, but there is no limit to what they can charge you.   I paid $800/mo last year thru Marketplace, but better than $1600, and I should see a good portion of that back when I file taxes.   
 

I too am frustrated by the people who do not want to pay for coverage u til they need it...have a friend in Denver like that... who let there be a gap in coverage , but that is not the case with me , and it was still VERY costly pre-Obamacare thru private insurance. 

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Close 70 % of overseas bases. Bring those troops home. Stop giving israel 16 billion a year. Problem solved

 

One of the basic problems is the people who pay/bribe the politicians have their hands in arms, defense contracts for security/logisitics, etc., and they want those troops over there.

 

The biggest problems the USA have had since it was formed are not being more isolationist, and not keeping their promises. Take care of home first, and don't fuck over your citizens.

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Just you?

Seems high, or you have really top quality insurance.

 

Yes. It is a good plan. I picked a better  plan the year that I didn’t realize I’d have the added bitcoin income, so I had to repay a ton of money when I filed taxes...ended up 700-800 per month....though premium cost did then qualify me for the medical expense itemization on taxes...put me abive standard deduction. Carried plan over, and didn’t adjust the numbers, so as indicated, should get something back for 2019....guessing final  cost for 2019 will be more in 400/mo range.  

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Healthcare is not a right. No matter how many times liberal candidates say it is.

 

Americans are strong, reliant and independent. We pay our own way. 

 

 

Our neighbors problems are just that, their problems. My neighbors should bear no cost for my problems nor should i for theirs.

 

 

BTW....  Nobody care what your tout ass thinks about anything Eddie...

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Healthcare is not a right. No matter how many times liberal candidates say it is.

 

Americans are strong, reliant and independent. We pay our own way. 

 

 

Our neighbors problems are just that, their problems. My neighbors should bear no cost for my problems nor should i for theirs.

 

 

 

Probably not quite as far right as you, but agree with the above.

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Healthcare is not a right. No matter how many times liberal candidates say it is.

 

Americans are strong, reliant and independent. We pay our own way.

 

 

Our neighbors problems are just that, their problems. My neighbors should bear no cost for my problems nor should i for theirs.

 

 

BTW.... Nobody care what your tout ass thinks about anything Eddie...

You know you might be the biggest bitch in forum history. No one cares what I say? Yeah except for the 15k Twitter followers, the podcast with 10k listeners weekly, the people who read my weekly article.

Name one person who's ever asked what the hell Jimmy Hoffa the poster has to say about anything. I saw you picking on the guy who has downs thread yesterday.. feeling big huh? You fucking loser!

 

Oh I'm a tout who moves the market 3 points every release in football and 1 point in nba and can move any number on the board I want at any given moment for years now. My clients are up 65 units in 18 months at 1 unit each all transparent and verified you fucking Moron. If you had any sense at all youd only cared what I had to say.. you wouldn't be the broke dick you are.

 

 

Sorry please carry on and thank you for the thoughts of all. Sorry about the interruption.

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You know you might be the biggest bitch in forum history. No one cares what I say? Yeah except for the 15k Twitter followers, the podcast with 10k listeners weekly, the people who read my weekly article.

Name one person who's ever asked what the hell Jimmy Hoffa the poster has to say about anything. I saw you picking on the guy who has downs thread yesterday.. feeling big huh? You fucking loser!

 

Oh I'm a tout who moves the market 3 points every release in football and 1 point in nba and can move any number on the board I want at any given moment for years now. My clients are up 65 units in 18 months at 1 unit each all transparent and verified you fucking Moron. If you had any sense at all youd only cared what I had to say.. you wouldn't be the broke dick you are.

 

 

Sorry please carry on and thank you for the thoughts of all. Sorry about the interruption.

 

I can get 15 thousand Twitter followers for $0.99 from a South Korean bot farm within 30 minutes big shot.

 

People that follow touts are losers, congratulations on being the leader whom clowns follow.

 

 

Rubes like Ted are easy to fool, others not so much...

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I can get 15 thousand Twitter followers for $0.99 from a South Korean bot farm within 30 minutes big shot.

 

People that follow touts are losers, congratulations on being the leader whom clowns follow.

 

 

Rubes like Ted are easy to fool, others not so much...

Yeah because when I have dinner with Dink, Frank B and then lunch with Edward and Joey and we move the very market you have to throw pennies at we bring up has been p.o.s. posters from forums with 25 people on it like.. who? Oh yeah Jimmy Hoffa who has to troll a kid who has mental capabilities of a pigeon. You're a loser of massive proportions and even you've realized this by now. Move along old man

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You know you might be the biggest bitch in forum history. No one cares what I say? Yeah except for the 15k Twitter followers, the podcast with 10k listeners weekly, the people who read my weekly article.

Name one person who's ever asked what the hell Jimmy Hoffa the poster has to say about anything. I saw you picking on the guy who has downs thread yesterday.. feeling big huh? You fucking loser!

 

Oh I'm a tout who moves the market 3 points every release in football and 1 point in nba and can move any number on the board I want at any given moment for years now. My clients are up 65 units in 18 months at 1 unit each all transparent and verified you fucking Moron. If you had any sense at all youd only cared what I had to say.. you wouldn't be the broke dick you are.

 

 

Sorry please carry on and thank you for the thoughts of all. Sorry about the interruption.

me. me, me, i, I ,I  = loser, loser, loser.

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I think some would care mainly bookmakers but then again you're seriously trying to tell us you have 4 friends.. seriously doubt that shit.

 

The only thing bookmakers care about is balancing risk, nothing more and nothing less.

 

You on the other hand care alot about what strangers on the internet think of you, therefore you try to burnish your reputation with long-winded diatribes and numerical sleight of hand to fool the rubes. I on the other hand don't care what you or anyone else thinks, thus I am free to publish the truth as I see it.

 

 

Desperate people paying desperate sums for readily available information IS the tout game.

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