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2 minutes ago, KingKolzig said:

the internet is all fake garbage. cant trust any video or pic you see

 

then imagine being rocky on a bender lol. hes getting very close to the point of no return with the coke

It hurts me when i see you two old friends at each others throat.

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Kissinger has weighed in.

 

 

 

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The Telegraph

Henry Kissinger: Ukraine must give Russia territory

Ambrose Evans-Pritchard
Mon, May 23, 2022, 12:48 PM·6 min read
 
 
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Veteran US statesman Henry Kissinger has urged the West to stop trying to inflict a crushing defeat on Russian forces in Ukraine, warning that it would have disastrous consequences for the long term stability of Europe.

The former US secretary of state and architect of the Cold War rapprochement between the US and China told a gathering in Davos that it would be fatal for the West to get swept up in the mood of the moment and forget the proper place of Russia in the European balance of power.

Dr Kissinger said the war must not be allowed to drag on for much longer, and came close to calling on the West to bully Ukraine into accepting negotiations on terms that fall very far short of its current war aims.

“Negotiations need to begin in the next two months before it creates upheavals and tensions that will not be easily overcome. Ideally, the dividing line should be a return to the status quo ante. Pursuing the war beyond that point would not be about the freedom of Ukraine, but a new war against Russia itself,” he said.

He told the World Economic Forum that Russia had been an essential part of Europe for 400 years and had been the guarantor of the European balance of power structure at critical times. European leaders should not lose sight of the longer term relationship, and nor should they risk pushing Russia into a permanent alliance with China.

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15 minutes ago, xyz said:

Kissinger has weighed in.

 

 

 

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The Telegraph

Henry Kissinger: Ukraine must give Russia territory

Ambrose Evans-Pritchard
Mon, May 23, 2022, 12:48 PM·6 min read
 
 
Vladimir Putin Henry Kissinger Ukraine Russia invasion war food prices oil Europe sanctions Zelensky - EPA/SERGEI CHIRIKOV
 
Vladimir Putin Henry Kissinger Ukraine Russia invasion war food prices oil Europe sanctions Zelensky - EPA/SERGEI CHIRIKOV

Veteran US statesman Henry Kissinger has urged the West to stop trying to inflict a crushing defeat on Russian forces in Ukraine, warning that it would have disastrous consequences for the long term stability of Europe.

The former US secretary of state and architect of the Cold War rapprochement between the US and China told a gathering in Davos that it would be fatal for the West to get swept up in the mood of the moment and forget the proper place of Russia in the European balance of power.

Dr Kissinger said the war must not be allowed to drag on for much longer, and came close to calling on the West to bully Ukraine into accepting negotiations on terms that fall very far short of its current war aims.

“Negotiations need to begin in the next two months before it creates upheavals and tensions that will not be easily overcome. Ideally, the dividing line should be a return to the status quo ante. Pursuing the war beyond that point would not be about the freedom of Ukraine, but a new war against Russia itself,” he said.

He told the World Economic Forum that Russia had been an essential part of Europe for 400 years and had been the guarantor of the European balance of power structure at critical times. European leaders should not lose sight of the longer term relationship, and nor should they risk pushing Russia into a permanent alliance with China.

They're oblivious to the simple fact that russia is taking a fair chunk of ukraine and there's nothing anyone can do about it.

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Now Obiden has taken an over 60 year tradition and cancelled it.

All for Euro Star Zelensky.  

Somewhere Bono is grinning.

Meanwhile American mothers cannot get baby formula, as Obiden sent the stock piles to the border for all the illegals.  After he closed down Abbott's production.

 

Nebraska will suspend its tradition of releasing red balloons after the first touchdown of home games due to a global helium shortage, athletic director Trev Alberts announced on his radio show Monday.

Alberts said Nebraska will not hand out red balloons before home games at Memorial Stadium this fall. The tradition of releasing the balloons after Nebraska's first touchdown at home began in the 1960s.

The helium shortage and supply-chain issues stem in part from sanctions against Russia, one of the world's top helium suppliers, following its invasion of Ukraine.

 

 

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13 hours ago, KingKolzig said:

everyone here is just a brock landers. just spouting their opinion off

take away all mikemanns sources and ask him to write 1 page on why he like russia over ukraine and it would suck

 

nobody here knows anything about whats really going on 

I know not even one Russian elite or  business owner is happy with Pootin. His leadership skills are blind and I believe his days are numbered.  His bloody war has turned into the worst strategic blunder in modern day history of Russia.

P.S. Russia is 30 times the size of Ukraine.  Some think think Goliath is dominating.  :laugh

Many at TGF and in America say "give PooTin what he wants".

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Bigrunner said:

I know not even one Russian elite or  business owner is happy with Pootin. His leadership skills are blind and I believe his days are numbered.  His bloody war has turned into the worst strategic blunder in modern day history of Russia.

P.S. Russia is 30 times the size of Ukraine.  Some think think Goliath is dominating.  :laugh

Many at TGF and in America say "give PooTin what he wants".

 

 

BigDumber knows a lot of Russian elites and business owners.

LMAO.

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10 minutes ago, MonkeyF0cker said:

BigDumber knows a lot of Russian elites and business owners.

LMAO.

 

2 minutes ago, MonkeyF0cker said:

Try again

Russian elite

https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/23/europe/russian-diplomat-resigns-ukraine-war-intl/index.html

"If PooTin or Tucker Fucker aren't reporting it, then it must be false. Fake News". Neo-Nazi Dumb Monkey 

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Just now, Jimmy Hoffa said:

Sure, it's not going the way they envisioned... 

But, in no way, shape or form is Russia losing.

Until the fighting is taking place on Russian soil and Russian buildings start falling, Russia is winning.

define losing?  Are they losing this war?  of course not.  Are they losing world respect?  Yes.  Are they losing revenue from sale of goods to other countries?  Yes.   Are they losing lives, equipment, and money in this war?  Yes.

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Just now, WVU said:

define losing?  Are they losing this war?  of course not.  Are they losing world respect?  Yes.  Are they losing revenue from sale of goods to other countries?  Yes.   Are they losing lives, equipment, and money in this war?  Yes.

Oil, gas and now food prices are skyrocketing - those are their main products(along with perhaps weapons and minerals).

However the impact of sanctions were perceived 2-3 months ago, it's clear their true effects are far less than feared from a russian perspective.

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1 minute ago, mikeman said:

Oil, gas and now food prices are skyrocketing - those are their main products(along with perhaps weapons and minerals).

However the impact of sanctions were perceived 2-3 months ago, it's clear their true effects are far less than feared from a russian perspective.

I can't disagree but way too early to measure the pain this will cause Russia.  These sanctions aren't going to go away anytime soon.  What will be the effect in say 5 years?  It will be devastating IMO

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1 minute ago, WVU said:

I can't disagree but way too early to measure the pain this will cause Russia.  These sanctions aren't going to go away anytime soon.  What will be the effect in say 5 years?  It will be devastating IMO

Right now it appears the war will last for a long time, but if and when it ends so will most of the sanctions, sure nations like us and some in europe would still talk tough and say they're in effect, but the weaker players(who need energy) would go right back to them without doubt.

Not to mention when a ceasefire does come one of the terms would prob be an ending of sanctions. italy already proposed something along those lines.

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5 minutes ago, mikeman said:

Right now it appears the war will last for a long time, but if and when it ends so will most of the sanctions, sure nations like us and some in europe would still talk tough and say they're in effect, but the weaker players(who need energy) would go right back to them without doubt.

Not to mention when a ceasefire does come one of the terms would prob be an ending of sanctions. italy already proposed something along those lines.

I edited my post and it disappeared so I'll try again.

The weaker players aren't the big buyers.  I don't think we will ever see a ceasefire.  Russia is in way too deep.  The sactions will go on long after the war.  They were already sanctioned in weaker form long before this war and it has impacted that country bigly.

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Just now, WVU said:

the weaker players aren't the big buyers.  There will be no ceasefire.  Russia is in too deep.  And these sanctions will continue long after the war.  They were already there in weaker form before the war.

The ceasefire will come from ukraine after they lose most of the east - could be not that far off if their army continues to collapse, they would propose that to keep russia from taking odessa, which they almost certainly will if they are successful in the donbass.

Russia wants the donbass and all of the black sea coast, right now they have maybe 80% of the east and 70% of the coast.

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