Ukraine war thread

[mikeman]

[mikeman]

[shooterman]

https://consortiumnews.com/2022/01/22/ukraine-crisis-us-toolboxes-are-empty/

[mikeman]

10 minutes ago, shooterman said:

https://consortiumnews.com/2022/01/22/ukraine-crisis-us-toolboxes-are-empty/

Good article - here's the key point - we can do nothing, any attempt to engage the russians and our forces would be annihilated. Biden is in a horrible position - if he does nothing he looks weak, if he does something he faces either defeat or  embarrassment.

The toolbox is everywhere, it seems—Biden has referred to it, as has White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki. Blinken has alluded to it on numerous occasions.

There’s only one problem—the toolbox, it turns out, is empty.

While the Pentagon is reportedly working on a series of military options to reinforce the existing U.S. military presence in eastern Europe, the actual implementation of these options would neither be timely nor even possible. One option is to move forces already in Europe; the U.S. Army maintains one heavy armored brigade in Europe on a rotational basis and has a light armored vehicle brigade and an artillery brigade stationed in Germany. Along with some helicopter and logistics support, that’s it.

Flooding these units into Poland would be for display purposes only—they represent an unsustainable combat force that would be destroyed within hours, if not days, in any large-scale ground combat against a Russian threat.

The U.S. can deploy a second heavy armored brigade to Poland which would fall in on prepositioned equipment already warehoused on Polish soil. This brigade would suffer a similar fate if matched up against the Russian army. The U.S. can also deploy an airborne brigade. They, too, would die.

There are no other options available to deploy additional U.S. heavy forces to Europe on a scale and in a timeframe that would be meaningful. The problem isn’t just the deployment of forces from their bases in the U.S. (something that would takes months to prepare for), but the sustainability of these forces once they arrived on the ground in Europe. Food, ammunition, water, fuel—the logistics of war is complicated, and not resolved overnight.

In short, there is no viable military option, and Biden knows this.

[Professor]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/defend-chernobyl-during-invasion-why-162127015.html
 

interesting article here 

[mikeman]

I believe irkutsk is still maybe 3000 miles from western russia.

[KingKolzig]

4 hours ago, mikeman said:

Good article - here's the key point - we can do nothing, any attempt to engage the russians and our forces would be annihilated. Biden is in a horrible position - if he does nothing he looks weak, if he does something he faces either defeat or  embarrassment.

The toolbox is everywhere, it seems—Biden has referred to it, as has White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki. Blinken has alluded to it on numerous occasions.

There’s only one problem—the toolbox, it turns out, is empty.

While the Pentagon is reportedly working on a series of military options to reinforce the existing U.S. military presence in eastern Europe, the actual implementation of these options would neither be timely nor even possible. One option is to move forces already in Europe; the U.S. Army maintains one heavy armored brigade in Europe on a rotational basis and has a light armored vehicle brigade and an artillery brigade stationed in Germany. Along with some helicopter and logistics support, that’s it.

Flooding these units into Poland would be for display purposes only—they represent an unsustainable combat force that would be destroyed within hours, if not days, in any large-scale ground combat against a Russian threat.

The U.S. can deploy a second heavy armored brigade to Poland which would fall in on prepositioned equipment already warehoused on Polish soil. This brigade would suffer a similar fate if matched up against the Russian army. The U.S. can also deploy an airborne brigade. They, too, would die.

There are no other options available to deploy additional U.S. heavy forces to Europe on a scale and in a timeframe that would be meaningful. The problem isn’t just the deployment of forces from their bases in the U.S. (something that would takes months to prepare for), but the sustainability of these forces once they arrived on the ground in Europe. Food, ammunition, water, fuel—the logistics of war is complicated, and not resolved overnight.

In short, there is no viable military option, and Biden knows this.

thats what i figured from the geopolicitcal simulator game i used to play. takes many weeks to move brigades into position. biden would have had to start that when russia had only like 30k troops lined up. too late now

 

hopefully ukraine surrenders in the first 10 days

[mikeman]

1 minute ago, KingKolzig said:

thats what i figured from the geopolicitcal simulator game i used to play. takes many weeks to move brigades into position. biden would have had to start that when russia had only like 30k troops lined up. too late now

 

hopefully ukraine surrenders in the first 10 days

We're a pussy army that depends on air superiority, the russians would own the air in ukraine, we're not used to being outgunned and pinned down. in Iraq or afghanistan anytime units got in trouble they would just call in the air.

[KingKolzig]

good then its over

biden cant do anything and shouldnt anyways. if USA invaded mexico putin couldnt do anything either. putin will suffer with scorn from the entire world. thats good enough

 

MLB season is a go

[mikeman]

Just now, KingKolzig said:

good then its over

biden cant do anything and shouldnt anyways. if USA invaded mexico putin couldnt do anything either. putin will suffer with scorn from the entire world. thats good enough

 

MLB season is a go

The best course for Biden is to shut the F up and stop talking tough, when they invade he can slap those big bad sanctions on them and that'll be the end of it.

The problem is the media is pushing for a war - prob thinking it'll help biden, it wont, no one in the US wants another bullshit war.

[Jimmy Hoffa]

4 minutes ago, KingKolzig said:

 

 

MLB season is a go

Best news right here.

[mikeman]

 

[mikeman]

This could be disinformation.

 

[Jimmy Hoffa]

China is licking their chops over Taiwan watching Biden's doofus routine.

 

[mikeman]

All those planeloads of weapons pouring into ukraine will be in russian hands in a month. just like in afghanistan.

[Jimmy Hoffa]

3 minutes ago, mikeman said:

All those planeloads of weapons pouring into ukraine will be in russian hands in a month. just like in afghanistan.

Yes.

It was kind of the British to send them. Generous donation. 

[mikeman]

[shooterman]

I hope this evacuation goes better than the last one.

[jasson621]

19 hours ago, Jimmy Hoffa said:

China is licking their chops over Taiwan watching Biden's doofus routine.

 

Beijing Biden,,,it is so sad and we have numerous twats here that support him. They are sadder than Joe as he his just cashing his lifetime paycheck. These dumb twats that post here are actively destroying democracy. I don't care I can afford it.

 

 

[KingKolzig]

[Jimmy Hoffa]

Aren't we already sanctioning Russia for some other shit they pulled in Ukraine a while back?

[PatrickBateman]

Biden should just send all of the twannys and gays in the military.

You want equal opportunity, have at it.

I don't really Alan Karre if they win or lose.

[xyz]

BREAKING (AFP) — The EU is *not* following the US in withdrawing its diplomats' families from Ukraine, top European diplomat Josep Borrell says, adding there is no need to "dramatize" the situation while diplomatic talks with Russia continue.

[xyz]

This morning from Poso:

 

I very much hope that the outcome with Russia and Ukraine is not war Problem is you have people in the admin like Ron Klain running around talking like Biden is the new Patton who will be the president who ‘finally defeats Putin’

[mikeman]

21 minutes ago, xyz said:

This morning from Poso:

 

I very much hope that the outcome with Russia and Ukraine is not war Problem is you have people in the admin like Ron Klain running around talking like Biden is the new Patton who will be the president who ‘finally defeats Putin’

We're talking about sending maybe 5000 troops to eastern europe - meaning poland or romania, if putin was planning on invading either of those 2 countries it might make sense. This wont change a thing as far as russia's plans for ukraine. Nor does it make Biden look tough, quite the contrary. If and when Russia attacks ukraine we wont do a thing, that's the reality.